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re: Honestly, who out there could replace Miles?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:01 am to Magician
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:01 am to Magician
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28-21 (record)
1-2 (bowl games)
3-9 (ranked opponents)
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Saban's 34-24-1 record at Michigan State represented mild success in the wake of NCAA sanctions, and culminated with a 9-2 regular season in 1999 and a Citrus Bowl (now Capital One Bowl) appearance that Saban didn't stick around to coach, jetting to future SEC riches in Baton Rouge, La., at LSU.
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Michigan State
Main article: Michigan State Spartans football
When Saban arrived in East Lansing, Michigan prior to the 1995 season, MSU had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations committed under his predecessor and former mentor, George Perles.[20]
1995–1997 – Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.
1998 – On November 7, 1998, the Spartans upset the No. 1 ranked Ohio State 28–24 at Ohio Stadium. However, even after the upset and an early-season rout of then-highly ranked Notre Dame the Spartans finished 6–6, including three last-minute losses featuring turnovers, defensive lapses, and special-teams misplays, and failed to earn a bowl invitation.
1999 – Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season that included wins over Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. However, the two losses were routs at the hands of Purdue and Wisconsin. Following the final regular-season game against Penn State, Saban abruptly resigned to accept the head coaching position with LSU. Saban's assistant head coach and successor, Bobby Williams, then coached MSU to a Citrus Bowl victory over Florida, giving the Spartans an overall record of 10–2 for the 1999 season. It would be the best season in terms of wins for the Spartans since 1965, and it would see the Spartans reach their highest ranking since the 1966 team.[21] Future NFL head coach Josh McDaniels served as a graduate assistant on Saban's 1999 coaching staff.
ETA: So prior to his 9-2 season in 1999, Nick Saban had been 25-22-1 and 0-3 with double digits losses in bowl games. Hindsight is fricking awesome for those who remember the Saban hiring as a slam dunk.
One could argue that even though their resume's before taking the LSU job were incredibly similar (and that's exactly what was said at the time by the way) the better argument would be that the LSU program that Saban left required the hiring of a coach with a better career record THAN EVEN SABAN HIMSELF HAD HAD BEFORE LANDING THE JOB, would it not?
In the case of Saban, we hired a guy that LOOKED like he had a bright future and it turned out we were right. We did the same with Miles. Given the record over the past 10 seasons, it's hard to argue that was a bad hire.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 11:05 am
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:01 am to Shiftyplus1
Bo Pelini. I think that he would come back
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:07 am to Shiftyplus1
You throw the bank at Jimbo. Make him say no.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:19 am to dr smartass phd
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My fear is that for many years a large portion of LSU fans have had their minds made about about replacing Miles, but have not really come to terms with the very real possibility of having to live with the consequences of a bad hire.
I have, but have you come to terms with the possibility that LSU might make a great hire? People always say, we will make a bad hire, why? It's just as plausible that LSU will make a great hire. Just sayin.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:25 am to MoneyShot
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either one of the Harbaughs
John the better of the two and there's no way you get him out of what he has going in Baltimore right now.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:27 am to joeytiger
Why would Jimbo leave FSU when he can dominate the ACC and practically cakewalk into the playoff every year?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:28 am to joeytiger
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I have, but have you come to terms with the possibility that LSU might make a great hire? People always say, we will make a bad hire, why? It's just as plausible that LSU will make a great hire. Just sayin.
Are we going to get rid of Alleva too?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:33 am to Tiger Stadium 11
I'm still having a hard time believing anyone took my comments as anything other than sarcasm.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:44 am to Shiftyplus1
I find it laughable how some of you people believe that Les Miles makes LSU and that there are no good coaches out there that would want to coach at LSU! I guess LSU is just a dumpster fire of a job. You people amaze me. LSU is a top5 job.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:04 pm to Shiftyplus1
A trained monkey.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:12 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
Gruden
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:14 pm to oldcharlie8
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replacing miles' integrity as a coach would be difficult.
He doesn't have as much as some of you think, although he's far from the worst by a bunch.
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replacing miles' recruiting skills would be pretty tough.
Depends on the hire. I think his recruiting is good but overrated. I am not one that thinks LSU just recruits itself, but when you are given the money and resources for your assistant coaches that Miles' has been given, you'd better damn well recruit top notch. Miles gets outworked by several other SEC coaches on the recruiting trail, and this isn't something new.
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replacing miles' coaching technique to a "better" style would be easy
This is going to depend on the hire, but is definitely mostly on the offensive side of the ball.
People whining about Muschamp's failure at UF is exactly why LSU shouldn't hire a person that's never had head coaching experience at the collegiate level. It's a crapshoot at that point as to whether that person can even be a head coach much less a top one.
UF got screwed by Meyer in timing and then hired Muschamp over Strong. That was their mistake.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:14 pm to LSUtigers111
Chad Morris
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:17 pm to dr smartass phd
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Yep, if Miles goes, the whole staff goes.
Not necessarily. I think it would depend on the hire. If it's a defensive-minded head coach than maybe, but otherwise, I think they'd happily keep Chavis and the defensive coaches on.
The offense and special teams is another story if an offensive guy comes in.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:19 pm to Shiftyplus1
How about the coach at Baylor?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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One could argue that even though their resume's before taking the LSU job were incredibly similar (and that's exactly what was said at the time by the way) the better argument would be that the LSU program that Saban left required the hiring of a coach with a better career record THAN EVEN SABAN HIMSELF HAD HAD BEFORE LANDING THE JOB, would it not?
So you are going to ignore the sanctions aspect of his initial years at MSU?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:30 pm to joeytiger
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I have, but have you come to terms with the possibility that LSU might make a great hire? People always say, we will make a bad hire, why? It's just as plausible that LSU will make a great hire. Just sayin.
History says otherwise. There are simply far more examples of programs going from good/great to bad with a poor hire than programs going from good/great to equal or better success. Ironically, LSU was one of those rare cases last time going from Saban's record here to Miles'.
Again...that's not to say it CAN'T be done, just that the odds are not in our favor getting it right with the first next hire. Not the sole reason not to do it, but it ought to be taken into account.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:37 pm to Geauxgurt
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So you are going to ignore the sanctions aspect of his initial years at MSU?
No, not at all...but they weren't on probation forever. I've never once suggested the man did a bad job at MSU. He clearly did not.
This isn't my argument, after all. Some here are arguing that because Miles had a mediocre record at the dumpster fire that was OSU at the time therefore we can hire literally anyone with a similar record and do just as well here.
That's idiotic, as it does not take into account what they were like before here got there and what he had to work with...much like Saban and MSU. Both of their records were mediocre, but showed vast improvement from what they took over and, in both cases, showed that they were better than their records indicated.
Why does Miles record at MSU get hung around his neck as a negative, while Saban's does not? Neither should, as both were exceptional given what they had to work with at the time.
There are just so many REAL things to bitch about with Miles...there's no reason to pull stuff like that out of one's own arse. It's why even when some of the guys here that rant and rave about Miles DO make a good point, it's often times ignored by those with common sense because the rest of the time they are hollering about complete bullshite.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:42 pm to Shiftyplus1
Are you suggesting that LSU fire Miles? You do realize that LSU has the second most victories of ANY college footbal program since 2005. Boise has the most.
The only way Miles will not be here next year is if he takes the Michigan job this time.
Deal with it!
The only way Miles will not be here next year is if he takes the Michigan job this time.
Deal with it!
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:42 pm to Shiftyplus1
FWIW...
I texted Charles Hannigrif on the Tiger Zone last week. After he indicated that Miles would not likely entertain a Michigan offer or leave, his response to LSU's possible list was:
Jimbo Fisher
Art Briles
Gary Patterson
He also indicated that LSU did not have Florida type financial resources as, at the time, the discussion was on Florida's replacement and none of those names were mentioned.
I texted Charles Hannigrif on the Tiger Zone last week. After he indicated that Miles would not likely entertain a Michigan offer or leave, his response to LSU's possible list was:
Jimbo Fisher
Art Briles
Gary Patterson
He also indicated that LSU did not have Florida type financial resources as, at the time, the discussion was on Florida's replacement and none of those names were mentioned.
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