re: Can Someone Please 'Splain to Me What's Going on?

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Rettig wanted out once Stud left...

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Understood, but the reason he wanted out is because our O was not going to fit his skill set (which apparently is more Mett than AJ/BH). So why would we convey that message to him (and Rivers so I don't think that's in dispute) and then pursue basically another Rettig/Mett type QB?

What am I missing here?

It would be nice if we had a QB who can truly run and throw. Best of both worlds. But, given a choice, I'd much rather have a guy who can throw and just move enough to avoid a sack from time to time. LSU seemingly always has running backs and receivers who can make plays, so just find someone who can get the ball to them.

I know that's a bit simplistic, but why can't we scour the country each year and bring in one guy who can throw the football? If Harris doesn't progress and win the spot next year, we're gonna be screwed for at least two more years, since the only QB we have coming in next year is another "project." Why is it so very difficult for a program like LSU to find a guy who can play the position? Frustrating.

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The offense we had with Mett was the best since Flynn. I just don't get what advantages they see in a running qb that can't make the throws.

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I hear you. If Brandon Harris can do both, that's fine. But given a choice between runner and thrower, I'll take the guy who can throw it. Let the running backs do the heavy lifting.

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Yes a mobile QB Sammy, but don't you think a Pro style QB who can run fits this offense better? I dunno, I'm not that educated about these things, but it looks like a pro style offense to me. Anthony Jennings doesn't seem to fit that offense. I know Chad Kelly could be trouble for us, but I watched about 40 minutes of his Juco Highlights yesterday, and it looks to me like he has All of the tools for this offense. Oh except for not taking 1 snap under center, I may have completely missed with this post, oh well.

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It's hilarious how you guys contradict yourselves. You want a pro style QB, yet Kelly was and is more dual threat than Jennings ever was.

You say you don't want a spread type QB, when the guys you keep talking about are all spread type QBs. WTF is this madness? Go and look at the top 5 QBs dual threat and top 5 pro style QBs. All of them play nearly every snap from the shotgun. All of them run a either a pass heavy spread, or a read option spread.

These under center drop back passers with strong arms, accuracy, leadership, reading defenses, going through progressions, where are you going to find them ready to play right out the box? I'm tired of reading this nonsense. It took Mett until his fifth year before he was good.

The style of football we play can be ran with any type of QB who can pass well. It makes it even better when they are mobile. Getting a QB with athleticism does not mean getting a QB who can't pass or doesn't have leadership, or can't read a defense. Look at the top four teams for goodness sakes. Hell, look at the top 10.

I guess neither one of you want Feleipe Franks or Shea Patterson? Franks, a big armed pocket passer with mobility, and Patterson, an accurate dual threat, are both #1 and #3 respectively at their position.

it's funny how the system wasnt a fit for the people they recruit.

It's like saying this 2 inch bolt I bought doesnt fit the space I have for a 1 inch bolt.

It's the bolt's fault!

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You want a Mobile QB

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No, they can be from anywhere, Mobile, Gulf Shores, Pass Christian, ect

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I know that's a bit simplistic, but why can't we scour the country each year and bring in one guy who can throw the football? If Harris doesn't progress and win the spot next year, we're gonna be screwed for at least two more years, since the only QB we have coming in next year is another "project." Why is it so very difficult for a program like LSU to find a guy who can play the position? Frustrating.

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Our offense does not tend itself to the desires of such QBs.

Stud ran a spread offense when he was an OC before he became an OL coach for LSU. Maybe that enticed Rettig, a flashy guy from Cali, who would have to fight with 5 star QBs on the West coast just to start at college. Mett threw the ball 352 times the year Stud was OC. Most in a season by a single LSU QB since Mauck back in 2003. Think about it, Kiel also wanted to be here in 2012 before he wussed out because he didn't want to be that far away from family.

We don't home grow good pocket passers in Louisiana. Nearly every good team has one of their best athletes playing QB. Every Louisiana QB will be a project and our offense doesn't scream excitement.

If we're going in a different direction from Rettig's skill set, why are we still considering a JUCO QB with Rettig-type skill set?

It's like we can't make up our mind.

If a Mett-clone were available today, would we recruit him?

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Jefferson, Jennings, Hatch, Shepard. = can't make the thro

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Hatch was a Harvard transfer so he doesn't even count. Jefferson was the #8 pro style QB. Shepard is like Torrance Gibson and Trevone Boykin. Great athlete, but need to be in a system tailored to them because they are not really great passers. Jennings again, one the elite 11 which is an event that tests your passing skills (accuracy, footwork, and knowledge).

Mett, Russell, 6'5 cannon arm QBs they both needed years in the system before they produced a good season.

Russell 2004 - 73/144 (50.7%) 1053 yards 9 TDs 4 ints
Russell 2005 - 188/311 (60.5%) 2443 yards 15 TDs 9 ints

So neither one of his first two seasons were better than Jefferson's in 2009.

Mett redshirted in 09, was beat out by Murray in 10', went to LSU in 11' but wasn't ready. He then played in 12' as a fourth year junior.

208/352 (58.8%) 2609 yards 12 TDs 7 ints

Matt Flynn is another guy who didn't make a splash til a fifth year senior

202/359 (56.3%) 2407 yards 21 TDs 11 ints 100 car 212 yards 4 TDs

so although our good ones turned out game manager (Flynn) to great (Russell Mett), it took them YEARS to produce one season that good.

I say all this to say, that it doesn't really matter. LSU QBs seem to take years before they are at least servicable. We need to break that chain, and I believe Harris can.

They're trying to find an Antwaan Randle El clone. With this anachronistic offense good luck. HS QB's in this era are hardly ever under center anymore.