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re: Harris - Miles response on radio show told alot IMO
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:23 am to CptBengal
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:23 am to CptBengal
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So he doesnt know the offense because they arent teaching it to him.
The use of the word "encumbering" should have been a clue to you. The use of this word would imply that he's not being taught the whole offense because he can't handle it. He's only being taught enough so that if called upon he can execute what he actually knows, even if that is not the whole playbook.
What part of that didn't compute with you?
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:23 am to CptBengal
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So he doesnt know the offense because they arent teaching it to him.
There goes that Pumper argument.
Umm to me it says they are giving him plays to master that he's good at. Problem is he isn't mastering the handful of plays. Similar situation to RP. Except RP wasn't a true frosh. They were getting him ready to take over in 2008. There goes cpt dickheads argument.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:25 am to sjmabry
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Maybe Les should just say "we suck this year, and I'm trying to prevent Harris from suffering an unnecessary injury at the back end of this season."
So now hes not playing Harris so he can protect him from getting injured
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:26 am to Oizers
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I don't think the issue is Jennings over Harris. The issue is why has it gotten to the point where a QB like Jennings is LSU's best chance to win.
Yep. If you read all of my posts, I am basically saying the same thing. We are stuck in this situation because we lack QB development. Because of our offense, it's not surprising that Harris is not ready, but there's not excuse for Jennings being as bad as he is or not having anyone else to turn to. IMO, this is on Cam.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:28 am to PacWilly
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" Contrary to what most ranters think, Miles and Cam are not idiots. They know football and are playing the best players that help the team win.
lol the guy who started DJ welter for a year and a half?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:28 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I think the point you're missing is that this isn't just a one time thing. Miles hasn't recruited and developed a single QB since he's been at LSU. Not. One.
Lee progressed.
Zach was recruited and progressed. Rs at uga, not getting reps at practice. 1 year at juco, OK got development there. 3 years at LSU, 2 as a starter. So zach was the same as a rs fr at uga as a sr at LSU? No.
I can add RP. Les signed him and was MVP of the seccg that got us to the title game. He got kicked off. Had nothing to do with his ability.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:29 am to PacWilly
quote:Captain Obvious.
Cam needs to teach better, but I sense they are disappointed with the QB play overall themselves.
It's really sad because LSU can have all the talent in the world and continue to get top 10 recruiting classes but they will never win the big games with the QB play the way it is now. Wait till next year.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:30 am to nicholastiger
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But when the season is pretty much over and it doesn't really matter whether you win the Ark, A&M or Bowl game, nows the time to throw him out there and see what he can do.
I hate this line of thinking. It's retarded. You don't just say 'frick it' because you're no longer in the running to win the conference. You try to win every game. Not saying Jennings is the better option, but to say we shouldn't care about winning a bowl game?? I'm sure the players share your sentiment.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:31 am to PacWilly
I don't think Miles and Cam are idiots at all, but for so many reasons, his answer to that question is garbage. Without any animosity to Coach Miles or the staff - I do not want them fired, etc. - I long ago quit listening to his shows, etc. they are of no value.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:32 am to lsu mike
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Maybe Les should just say "we suck this year, and I'm trying to prevent Harris from suffering an unnecessary injury at the back end of this season."
quote:Les wants a fresh Brandon Harris for Spring.
So now hes not playing Harris so he can protect him from getting injured
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:33 am to sunnydaze
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lol the guy who started DJ welter for a year and a half?
Who gets credit for 2011 defense? Must be Les since he picks the starters.
Must be a genius for putting Claiborne at cb instead of wr. Or Bennie Logan and brockers at dt instead of de.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:33 am to PacWilly
well im sold
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:34 am to Mie2cents
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Captain Obvious
Not so obvious to the people on this board, is it? Many think Miles is the problem. Many think Miles has a personal vendetta on Harris. Many think Cam is a bad playcaller.
I don't think any of those things. I think the source of our problems are with the OC not teaching to the level of the QBs on the roster. Secondly, if the guys aren't getting it, then the playbook has to be altered.
ETA: The hard decision is determining whether you think the current QBs will eventually "get it" by the end of spring practice. Otherwise, the playbook needs to be reworked wholesale in the off season. Our problems will not be fixed by the bowl game.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:34 am to blackjackjackson
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i like what you see.
we can only see what we can see.
it is all in the now!
we can only see the future thru the lens of our past.
we make the choice to see pessimistically or optimistically.
we make the choice to live in fear or faith or now.
what is, is.
This is profound, Seriously
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:34 am to dgnx6
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Lee progressed.
Zach was recruited and progressed. Rs at uga, not getting reps at practice. 1 year at juco, OK got development there. 3 years at LSU, 2 as a starter. So zach was the same as a rs fr at uga as a sr at LSU? No.
I can add RP. Les signed him and was MVP of the seccg that got us to the title game. He got kicked off. Had nothing to do with his ability.
Well, Jennings looks about the same as this time last year. This iis the week he came in vs Arkansas, then started the bowl game, and he hasn't progressed in a full 12 months.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:36 am to dgnx6
You aren't seriously making this argument, are you?
Sure you can. The guy who started 2 whole games at LSU? Would have been a stud? Maybe. But we'll never know b/c he never played
surely you jest
You said it yourself. Had a full season at another SEC school....full season at JUCO. He FINALLY played to his talent level as a fifth year senior at LSU
Is that what we're hanging our hats on here? That LSU might possibly get a QB to play pretty well every 5 years?
Please don't pretend you didn't understand the point I was making. If your arguments are a fifth yr senior WHO LOST HIS STARTING JOB, a fifth senior yr senior who played well after stints at two other schools, and a QB who never started a season at LSU are the best you can come up with in regards to QB development then you shouldn't be debating this point
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I can add RP. Les signed him and was MVP of the seccg that got us to the title game. He got kicked off. Had nothing to do with his ability.
Sure you can. The guy who started 2 whole games at LSU? Would have been a stud? Maybe. But we'll never know b/c he never played
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Lee progressed.
surely you jest
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Zach was recruited and progressed. Rs at uga, not getting reps at practice. 1 year at juco, OK got development there. 3 years at LSU, 2 as a starter. So zach was the same as a rs fr at uga as a sr at LSU? No.
You said it yourself. Had a full season at another SEC school....full season at JUCO. He FINALLY played to his talent level as a fifth year senior at LSU
Is that what we're hanging our hats on here? That LSU might possibly get a QB to play pretty well every 5 years?
Please don't pretend you didn't understand the point I was making. If your arguments are a fifth yr senior WHO LOST HIS STARTING JOB, a fifth senior yr senior who played well after stints at two other schools, and a QB who never started a season at LSU are the best you can come up with in regards to QB development then you shouldn't be debating this point
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:36 am to sjmabry
Sorry missed your sarcasm in the previous post, thought you were trying to spin it in another direction. But yeah hes saving him for the Bama game along with the secret playbook. 
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:36 am to PacWilly
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I don't think any of those things. I think the source of our problems are with the OC not teaching to the level of the QBs on the roster. Secondly, if the guys aren't getting it, then the playbook has to be altered.
I agree with this, but that goes right back to this:
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Miles is the problem
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:37 am to PacWilly
This QB situation is such a shite show.
Miles is so inconsistent.
You have a QB you keep trotting out there consistently getting worse, but you won't make a change.
But in 2011, you had a QB that was getting better game by game when your starter got suspended for off the field stuff. When the very first week he's reinstated, you bring him into the game with less than a week of practice time.
So in conclusion, miles is ok with a two-QB system when he likes you, but when he doesn't like you, you are just relegated to sit the bench and watch a guy ahead of you throw it for 50 yards in a CFB game?
Miles plays favorites. It's unbelievable to me how some people don't see it by now. I've worked for many of bosses and sat in classrooms where I've witnessed this behavior from people in charge. Miles is not exempt from this type of behavior either.
Miles is so inconsistent.
You have a QB you keep trotting out there consistently getting worse, but you won't make a change.
But in 2011, you had a QB that was getting better game by game when your starter got suspended for off the field stuff. When the very first week he's reinstated, you bring him into the game with less than a week of practice time.
So in conclusion, miles is ok with a two-QB system when he likes you, but when he doesn't like you, you are just relegated to sit the bench and watch a guy ahead of you throw it for 50 yards in a CFB game?
Miles plays favorites. It's unbelievable to me how some people don't see it by now. I've worked for many of bosses and sat in classrooms where I've witnessed this behavior from people in charge. Miles is not exempt from this type of behavior either.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:38 am to PacWilly
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Many think Miles is the problem
He is the problem, but he has also won a lot of games in his career, but make no mistake about it, he is the problem, and he is the only 1 that can solve the problem.
This is a very young team, but the QB problem at least for this season falls on Les.
2 Mistakes he made, leaving Welter in the LB position way too long, and not having a capable QB for this season. All is not lost, but he will need to come up big next season, or the powers that be will start to think like the rant, and that is trouble for Les.
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