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re: So we need an athletic QB to run this offense?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:48 pm to mytigger
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:48 pm to mytigger
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What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
The allure is when the OL has a shitastic showing (ex. first half of the season, Arkansas) that the QB can escape the pocket and still make passes or burn the defense with his legs. We were dead in the water when Mett's OL gave up (ex. final drive against UGA, 4th quarter against Bama).
Another example is Christian Hackenberg. great OL last year with a 5 star non athletic true freshman QB behind it. He completed 59% of his passes for 2955 yards on 392 attempts, with 20 TDs and 10 ints (Allen Robinson was a BIG part of that too). Now that OL has a bunch of youth and his numbers, 389 attempts 55.3% 2411 yards 8 TDs 14 ints, reflect that. He has been tossed around like a rag doll this year.
Another example is Tennessee. Justin Worley behind a slew of freshman and sophomore OL, made the offense very stagnant and stale. With him, they averaged 231 through the air, and 94 yards on the ground. Since he was hurt and the decided to go with the 3rd string dual threat, they have averaged 256 yards through the air, and 197 yards on the ground.
In conclusion, this offense doesn't actually, NEED an athletic QB, but we would fare better when the OL breaks down (like it does several times a year do to injury, giving up, youth or wrong personnel). A good athletic QB also makes the run game even more dangerous.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:51 pm to mytigger
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We pretty much ran Rettig out of the picture b/c he was a pure drop back qb.
Rettig was also having severe problems playing from under center. He was in a shotgun only spread offense in high school. He also had choppy feet. Trust me, You would not have wanted Rettig back there for some of the beatings Jennings has taken this year.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The most successful QB's LSU has had under Miles weren't duel threat and one wasn't mobile at all. JR, Flynn and Mett. Flynn was fairly mobile though but JR had his limitations.
Both Russell and Flynn were fairly mobile. Go watch some Jamarcus highlights. Mett was a statue though. What's also hilarious is that people don't realize that none of them looked good until their final year in school. I'd like to have a decent first year starter like a true sophomore or redshirt freshman.
You put a sophomore Mett behind that OL JJ had to play behind in 2009, and he wouldn't have made it to the end of the year.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:04 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Datbayoubengal
LOL. I don't know who you are....but I know what color you are.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:29 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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LOL. I don't know who you are....but I know what color you are.
Welp that racist shite beside, what is your point?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:41 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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LOL. I don't know who you are....but I know what color you are.
Being as I am generally a pumper myself, I find most of your posts amusing in that they annoy the negas immensely. But, what in the Sam Hell frick is your dumb arse talking about here? I went back and reread his posts, and don't see what the hell you mean. Maybe it's time you eat a dick. You disappeared for too long after a couple losses. Us pumpers can spin the worst if losses into a good thing. You just strike me as a pussy.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:58 pm to mytigger
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What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
according to the California kid that transferrd to Rutgers (h rettig) cam Cameron is the one that insists on having a running qb.what's weird to me is that there aren't many running qb's in the pro's and he did a great job with met. I am really becoming disillusioned with Cameron. even tho we put up some damn good numbers last year, our offense still depended on a qb with a rocket arm and 2 exceptional wide outs. without those elements, his offense stinks. and those elements don't come around very often.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 6:45 am to mytigger
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We pretty much ran Rettig out of the picture b/c he was a pure drop back qb.
False. He left because he was grossly inferior to AJ. Think on THAT for a minute.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:10 am to mytigger
I agree with the OP 100%! If you take in to consideration which QBs have actually been successful under cam Cameron, that would be mett and flacco. Both are pro style QBs. Not dual threat like the 2 we have now. I am a fan of harris and have been wanting him to start. While I think he is the more talented of the 2 and will end up being the better QB I am still concerned at how successful he will be in our type of offense.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:13 am to mytigger
This thread again.
Harris was considered to have a great arm, and he's shown us glimpses of that in his playing time.
Why wouldn't you want a dual threat QB over just a pocket passer? If both can throw, go with the mobile one
Lets just leave out the Hall of Fame QB he developed who was extremely mobile at the time and was developed into a pocket passer who can avoid pressure better than anyone in the NFL
Why can't he succeed in a pro style offense?
Harris was considered to have a great arm, and he's shown us glimpses of that in his playing time.
Why wouldn't you want a dual threat QB over just a pocket passer? If both can throw, go with the mobile one
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If you take in to consideration which QBs have actually been successful under cam Cameron, that would be mett and flacco
Lets just leave out the Hall of Fame QB he developed who was extremely mobile at the time and was developed into a pocket passer who can avoid pressure better than anyone in the NFL
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While I think he is the more talented of the 2 and will end up being the better QB I am still concerned at how successful he will be in our type of offense.
Why can't he succeed in a pro style offense?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 7:21 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:15 am to Penrod
False. He left because he was grossly inferior to AJ. Think on THAT for a minute.
PLease to elaborate because I missed this part.
PLease to elaborate because I missed this part.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:27 am to LSU GrandDad
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what's weird to me is that there aren't many running qb's in the pro's
Runnign QB's =/ dual threat. There are more than a handful who possess the ability and use it to open up big plays downfield. The idea is to teach them how to use the pocket and extend plays while keeping their eyes downfield.
His best QB he's had was Brees, who is outstanding at using the pocket and avoiding pressure.
Brees, Luck, Rodgers, Wilson, Romo, Tannehill, Newton, and Dalton are all damn athletic.
That ability also appears to make the transition easier from College to the NFL until the game slows down, and your time to throw goes down
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without those elements, his offense stinks. and those elements don't come around very often.
Yes, his offense has stunk with a terrible QB and a new group of receivers. Most offenses tend to stink with inexperienced QBs who aren't accurate. Cameron didn't recruit Jennings
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 7:32 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:36 am to Tigerinthehollow
Idiot….. 
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:54 am to themunch
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PLease to elaborate because I missed this part.
He was clearly behind AJ on the depth chart. He had a hard time operating under center. While his arm strength was good, his accuracy was terrible. This was true in high school, at the All Star game, and at LSU.
The proof will be in how his career develops. If he ends up a mediocre QB at Rutgers, or never wins the job, he sucked. If he ends up having a nice career and gets drafted, I'm wrong.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:10 am to mytigger
quote:Sounds like a great idea.
This is not a bash so I'd appreciate some honest discussion.
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Last year with Mett the offense operated the best it has in over a decade, but certainly not because of qb runs or short-side options.
quote:Oh . . . you don't really want an honest discussion. You just want to bash.
I don't see an offense that looks like it requires an athletic qb.... we don't operate a spread, the read-option, or even the dreaded short-side option.
You do know that the short-side option put LSU into position to win the GOTC?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:JR - Played well after he got experience. Not good in his first year. Huge improvement between first year and third year. 50.59% Comp% improved to 67.84% Comp%. 127.19 Efficiency improved to 167.03 Efficiency.
The most successful QB's LSU has had under Miles weren't duel threat and one wasn't mobile at all. JR, Flynn and Mett. Flynn was fairly mobile though but JR had his limitations.
Flynn - Played well after he got experience. Didn't really play much until after the regular season of his third year. Had a 40% Comp% his first year.
Mett - Played well after he got experience. 129.60 Efficiency improved to 171.45 Efficiency.
Mauck - Played well after he got experience. 43.90% Comp% improved to 63.97% Comp%. 80.04 Efficiency improved to 148.24 Efficiency.
There is a difference between correlation and causation.
People say they want a pro-style QB based on prior LSU results. What they really want is an experienced QB.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:22 am to blowmeauburn
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It's pretty obvious that LSU runs an offense designed for a drop back pocket passer. These are the types of QB's that excel at LSU. But Les Miles for some reason thinks he needs a dual threat QB. Every single one of these QB's has been just plain terrible.
Now, why does Les think he needs a dual threat QB? That is the question we should be asking.
Please name all of these successful drop back passers Miles has recruited to LSU. The ones you say excel at LSU. For that matter name any QB Les has recruited to LSU that has excelled. I will give you Mett's last year as a start (5th year senior). How about his first year? Lee? Rivers? Rettig?
It is not the style of QB as some would like to suggest, it is the lack of development of QBs that is the problem. A bad dual threat compared to a good drop back passer of couse would suggest drop back passers are the the best option. Expecially when that is your view in the first place. A good dual threat versus a bad drop back passer would show the opposite. The college football landscape should makes it abundantly clear that dual threat QBs are the most successful type QBs in today's game. Look at the top 10 teams and see the type QBs they have. It is being disingenious to argue that somehow a drop back passer is the best option at QB when, in fact, a good competent QB, regardless of type, is the best option at QB.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:46 am to justustm2
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justustm2
Well said. The #1 priority in Cam's offense should bet the arm. If you have 2 similar recruits in throwing ability, why wouldn't you want him to have the ability to run too?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:55 am to brentn67
quote:Mett was here before Cam, so leave him out. Cam recruited Harris. Did he want a dual threat QB, or did he want a drop-back passer?
I agree with the OP 100%! If you take in to consideration which QBs have actually been successful under cam Cameron, that would be mett and flacco. Both are pro style QBs. Not dual threat like the 2 we have now.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:20 am to sjmabry
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Did he want a dual threat QB, or did he want a drop-back passer?
Those aren't competing titles though. That is why this entire thing is stupid.
Give me the following dual threat college QB's:
Wilson, Luck, Brees, and even Aaron Rodgers over a statue.
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