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Last night was handled poorly by authorities in Ferguson
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:46 pm
If I am a business owner in Ferguson this morning I am livid that an angry mob was allowed to roam free and destroy my property unchecked for an entire night. There had to have been some better way to handle it and stop protests from becoming violent.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:48 pm to AngryBeavers
You can place blame, but one area I wouldn't place it on is the officers.
They were human beings in a very tense and explosive situation. Pretty much a no-win for them.
Had they tried to defend those businesses using force, lord knows what would've happened.
They were human beings in a very tense and explosive situation. Pretty much a no-win for them.
Had they tried to defend those businesses using force, lord knows what would've happened.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:49 pm to AngryBeavers
I agree, they should have kicked some azz and shot the thugs setting fires and looting.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:50 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:
If I am a business owner in Ferguson this morning I am livid that an angry mob was allowed to roam free and destroy my property unchecked for an entire night. There had to have been some better way to handle it and stop protests from becoming violent
So the protesters have no responsibility and you demand a police state?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:51 pm to UGATiger26
I'm not blaming the police officers on the ground. They were merely executing a plan. With this verdict looming I just feel like city officials, police leadership and the court could have coordinated this better especially given what happened the first time around.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:52 pm to AngryBeavers
Missouri's governor refused to deploy the National Guard.
Our POTUS empathized with the looters.
Besides, if you are a business owner in Ferguson, you didn't build that.
Someone else built that for you.
Easy come. Easy go.
It is what it is.
Our POTUS empathized with the looters.
Besides, if you are a business owner in Ferguson, you didn't build that.
Someone else built that for you.
Easy come. Easy go.
It is what it is.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:52 pm to AngryBeavers
The government doesn't have many intended functions, but chief among their outlined duties is to protect property rights
yeah, it's pretty sad. But no matter what they do, they're raaaaaaacist.
I guess I feel bad for the suckers who bought the line that the police will protect them, they're just a call away, you don't need an AR, and AK, an FN, a pistol grip, a scope, a collapsible stock....noooooo silly, just call the police
too bad more people weren't like that pawn shop owner who moved...you loot, we shoot. During the intial riots, he and the other owners on the strip camped outside clearly armed and willing...no one fricked with their property. Imagine that
yeah, it's pretty sad. But no matter what they do, they're raaaaaaacist.
I guess I feel bad for the suckers who bought the line that the police will protect them, they're just a call away, you don't need an AR, and AK, an FN, a pistol grip, a scope, a collapsible stock....noooooo silly, just call the police
too bad more people weren't like that pawn shop owner who moved...you loot, we shoot. During the intial riots, he and the other owners on the strip camped outside clearly armed and willing...no one fricked with their property. Imagine that
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:54 pm to AngryBeavers
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I'm not blaming the police officers on the ground. They were merely executing a plan. With this verdict looming I just feel like city officials, police leadership and the court could have coordinated this better especially given what happened the first time around.
It's hard to predict the behavior of protesters.
I think they knew the decision though..they wanted people home, off work and out of school...
plus they wanted to let media prep.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:54 pm to AngryBeavers
I'm more interested in why the mayor ask the gov. for the national guard pre-riot and didn't get them. I'll go out on a limb here and say the governor was told by the feds not to. Now why is that?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:55 pm to AngryBeavers
Another lesson on why you can't trust government.
They take your money, promise protection, and fail to deliver.
Each citizen's tax money would have been better spent his own AR-15.
They take your money, promise protection, and fail to deliver.
Each citizen's tax money would have been better spent his own AR-15.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:55 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:
I'm not blaming the police officers on the ground. They were merely executing a plan. With this verdict looming I just feel like city officials, police leadership and the court could have coordinated this better especially given what happened the first time around.
How?
If they use force, they're the bad guys.
If they don't use force, they're negligent but they aren't a villain.
They played it about as well as they could IMO. Blame falls on the looters.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:56 pm to KosmoCramer
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If they use force, they're the bad guys.
If they don't use force, they're negligent but they aren't a villain.
They played it about as well as they could IMO. Blame falls on the looters.
I agree. They knew it would be a cluster**** no matter what. I think they realized that their best course of action was to let the people "get it out of their system" and not create any new headlines for the protesters to rally around and sustain this circus.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:56 pm to ApexTiger
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So the protesters have no responsibility and you demand a police state?
Of course the protesters have the responsibility to act like civilized human beings but the government is supposed to protect private property rights and they really did not seem to prepare for the worst last night.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:57 pm to KosmoCramer
The mayor said control was taken out of his hands by state authorities. Ferguson only has 53 officers available (not including 2 horses, 4 k9 units, and officer Ferguson) according to Wikipedia. Obviously not enough to handle what went on last night.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:57 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:
If I am a business owner in Ferguson this morning I am livid that an angry mob was allowed to roam free and destroy my property unchecked for an entire night. There had to have been some better way to handle it and stop protests from becoming violent.
Seems as thought the cops are "damned if they do, damned if they don't."
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:58 pm to AngryBeavers
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the government is supposed to protect private property rights and they really did not seem to prepare for the worst last night.
You do know that some of the fires that the firemen were sent to had to return because of gunfire when they showed up?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:58 pm to DelU249
Lives > property
Sucks for the property but if the cops were let loose from the start to go police looters in a more chaotic environment then the odds that people die goes up. I suspect many of the agitators wanted the cops out from their barricades. The protesters didn't police themselves well enough.
So yeah their duty is to protect property but it's also to protect its citizens and not escalate unnecessarily.
If the protesters were capable of doing so without putting firefighters at risk, maybe more buildings could have been saved. Once it became clear that there were too many savages to deal with, I can't fault the hands off approach.
Sucks for the property but if the cops were let loose from the start to go police looters in a more chaotic environment then the odds that people die goes up. I suspect many of the agitators wanted the cops out from their barricades. The protesters didn't police themselves well enough.
So yeah their duty is to protect property but it's also to protect its citizens and not escalate unnecessarily.
If the protesters were capable of doing so without putting firefighters at risk, maybe more buildings could have been saved. Once it became clear that there were too many savages to deal with, I can't fault the hands off approach.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:59 pm to AngryBeavers
It seems like it was handled differently than the way the police chief said it would be handled. Not altogether certain that's his fault.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:59 pm to AngryBeavers
Plus, the vast majority of insurance carriers will not cover your losses.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:01 pm to AngryBeavers
The annoucement should have been made at 8 am today. It'd have been "old news" to the looters once they woke up. 
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