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Paradise Lost (1996) (Spoilers after OP)
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:40 pm
I watched the movie Devil's Knot last night. I saw that it was based on a true story so I decided to check out some of the facts of the case. I realized that there were three documentaries made about this case going back to 1996. I had heard of these documentaries before, but never got around to seeing them and didn't know the full facts about the case. I started watching the first one last night and just finished the third one. Some very interesting stuff. If you haven't seen them, I recommend checking them out. They're on Amazon Prime. Not sure if they're on Netflix. Warning, there are some very graphic photo's of the crime that involve children that are very disturbing. I had to look away many times.
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Three teenagers are accused of this horrific crime of killing three children, supposedly as a result of involvement in Satanism. As in their previous documentary, things turn out to be more complex than initial appearances and this film presents the real-life courtroom drama to the viewer, as it unfolds
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:55 pm to abellsujr
The "Alford Plea" that was arranged to let those kids out a few years ago utterly infuriated me. It shows everything wrong with our prosecutorial/police state run amok.
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The scumbag DA won't even admit to his massive screw up. He still wants the damned conviction.
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The scumbag DA won't even admit to his massive screw up. He still wants the damned conviction.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
Lots of things in this case are pretty astonishing. I remember growing up in Hammond back when these kids were convicted. I don't remember hearing about the case, but I remember the hysteria associated with devil worshiping at that time. It was a fear that we had in our neighborhood. Pretty interesting stuff.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:09 pm to abellsujr
Mr Bojangles guy did it IMO
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:13 pm to stout
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Mr Bojangles guy did it IMO
They definitely didn't follow that lead at all. I still think it was Hobbs (one of the stepdads).
This had just happened when my family moved to Memphis. The name Damien Echols was like Freddie Kruger to grade school kids at that time.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:15 pm to stout
quote:Had to be. The third one brought up an interesting case for the father of one of the victims.
Mr Bojangles guy did it IMO
I believe the people involved in the the defense during the second movie screwed these boys over pretty bad. They took the case in completely the wrong direction and wasted valuable time. Cost them a decade.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:15 pm to jchamil
The local LE also preyed on a kid that had the mental capacity of a potato to get a confession out of him.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:18 pm to abellsujr
They might still be in jail if not for the likes of celebrities like Johnny Depp keeping it in the spotlight.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:52 pm to abellsujr
I have seen all the documentaries, even read the book that Echols wrote.
Is it worth my time to see Devil's Knot?
Is it worth my time to see Devil's Knot?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:02 pm to Cole Beer
I guess if you liked the documentaries, it's worth checking out. The movie itself is not great. It kind of talks a little bit more about the hysteria that was going on at that time regarding devil cults. There is also an interesting scene with one of the fathers of the children. I'm not sure if it really happened, but it was interesting.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:10 pm to stout
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They might still be in jail if not for the likes of celebrities like Johnny Depp keeping it in the spotlight.
Seriously. One of the few times those types of celebs got together for a cause worth a shite. The story absolutely infuriates me. Those prosecutors should rot in hell along with the pos judge.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:17 pm to REG861
quote:Yep, and the lead detective royally fricked up along with the judge. I can't believe that he was the one to decide whether or not they would get a new trial. That is such a conflict of interest.
Those prosecutors should rot in hell.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:20 pm to stout
Pearl Jam played in LR about 12 years ago and eddie vedder ripped open his shirt to reveal a "free the WM3" undershirt. Everyone went apeshit. It was awesome.
If damien wasnt on a death sentence, im pretty sure they would have fought the plea. Of course, lots of older folks around here thought they were guilty even up until the past couple years.
If damien wasnt on a death sentence, im pretty sure they would have fought the plea. Of course, lots of older folks around here thought they were guilty even up until the past couple years.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:34 pm to abellsujr
Lol abellsujr, what did you think of John Mark Byers? Supposedly he was either drunk or medicated in a lot of the scenes in the documentaries, but he definitely made for an unforgettable character. I think it's crazy how he did a complete shift from his prior beliefs to the beliefs he has now concerning the WM3. He used to be the most vocal opponents of the WM3, calling for their heads and ranting and raving about them. Today, he is on their side and has shifted the blame to Terry Hobbs, Stevie Branch's stepfather. There is a lot of controversy with Hobbs, so it's possible there is something there with him.
I also watched the documentaries after watching the movie Devil's Knot, and it's one of those real-life situations that you think would only happen in a movie, but it happened in real-life.
I also watched the documentaries after watching the movie Devil's Knot, and it's one of those real-life situations that you think would only happen in a movie, but it happened in real-life.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:43 pm to REG861
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Those prosecutors should rot in hell along with the pos judge.
Not only not rotting in jail, but counting the case still as a successful conviction.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:02 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:He was unbelievable. You couldn't write a character like that and whoever played him in Devil's Knot did not even come close to doing him justice. That was an Academy Award role that was wasted.
Lol abellsujr, what did you think of John Mark Byers?
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:54 am to abellsujr
I think Ray McKinnon got the idea for Rectify from the WM3.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 4:55 am to Person of interest
I watched "West of Memphis" last night. I didn't realize Peter Jackson was such a driving force in this investigation. Thanks Pete. I love your movies and now have even more respect for you than ever.
ETA: Of all of the documentaries on this case, this one is the best, IMO. The details of the corruption is shocking. Justice failed to the highest degree.
ETA: Of all of the documentaries on this case, this one is the best, IMO. The details of the corruption is shocking. Justice failed to the highest degree.
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 5:06 am
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:10 am to Person of interest
quote:No shite? Will watch.
I think Ray McKinnon got the idea for Rectify from the WM3.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:21 am to abellsujr
i saw the first two parts, still meaning to see the third, and also saw 'west of memphis'. i'm reasonably sure echols didn't have any involvement, but jeez, talk about not doing yourself any favors. i dunno, maybe he was thinking justice would ultimately be served, and in the meantime he'd just play it up for some notoriety, like some smart-assed kid might think....apparently, he underestimated how warped & hysterical the locals (both citizens & law enforcement) were.
one can make an interesting case for dobbs, and it baffles me how he managed to avoid suspicion for as long as he did....but at the same time, i'm not ready to let byers off the hook yet. a couple of his (byers) stories blew up in his face (i think it was in part 2), and the cynic in me wonders if he only changed his stance because he was worried about feeling some heat in the future. i know every person would react differently to such a horrible crime, but he really played it up to a fault IMO, to the point i started thinking "maybe THIS guy is hiding something"....i do hope he's innocent, 'cuz his life really did seem to spin out of control since the crimes.
one can make an interesting case for dobbs, and it baffles me how he managed to avoid suspicion for as long as he did....but at the same time, i'm not ready to let byers off the hook yet. a couple of his (byers) stories blew up in his face (i think it was in part 2), and the cynic in me wonders if he only changed his stance because he was worried about feeling some heat in the future. i know every person would react differently to such a horrible crime, but he really played it up to a fault IMO, to the point i started thinking "maybe THIS guy is hiding something"....i do hope he's innocent, 'cuz his life really did seem to spin out of control since the crimes.
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 7:24 am
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