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Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:13 pm to shutterspeed
Anyone that has watched and does not admit this is just a total homer with P & G glasses. This will continue until they install more rollout/spread imaginative plays!
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:21 pm to chilge1
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good decisions, good throws, and good maturity from Jennings.
and zero points? is this a joke?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:23 pm to jhhingle
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$6M/Y coaching staff
think it's much higher than that
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:53 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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Why are we still not "executing" this late into the season? How can we expect to "execute" in the future? I feel like execution is used here like a substitution for bad luck and is an attempt to absolve those responsible of blame.
I can promise you that no one will attempt to give this a serious answer. My answer is monumental coaching failure. What other explanation could there be. Next to last game and the offense "still can't excecute". WTF does that mean at this point anyway? If not now, then when will they execute. Other teams are able to execute, just not LSU. BTW I agree they cannot execute consistently. Yes, the game plans would have resulted in at least two more wins with good "execution". But part of the problem with execution is the personnel used to do the executing. From an execution stand point, AJ leaves much to be desired. BUT if the receivers had not dropped all of those passes AND the kicker had not put the ball out of bounds, then this is a different season, but LSU has those excuses too much lately. And, yes, IMHO it all goes back to Miles. It is his team top to bottom, front to back, side to side-100%. The buck stops with him.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:06 pm to chilge1
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The fumble was on the Arkansas 19 yard line. We could have kneeled three times and been in FG range.
How did that work out against Bama...
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:31 pm to White Tiger
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White Tiger
I'd like to extrapolate on what you've said.
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they cannot execute consistently. Yes, the game plans would have resulted in at least two more wins with good "execution". But part of the problem with execution is the personnel used to do the executing. From an execution stand point, AJ leaves much to be desired. BUT if the receivers had not dropped all of those passes AND the kicker had not put the ball out of bounds, then this is a different season, but LSU has those excuses too much lately
Landry and Beckham would not have dropped those passes. Blue and Hill would have gotten to the second level running. If people want to gripe about recruiting its an honest criticism. No one could have foreseen the new CBA and the mass exodus that followed, but this didn't affect QB recruiting. That's a separate issue which is explained in-depth in another thread.
But people expected the offense to take major steps back. They expected 8-9 wins because you can't lose two WRs, two RBs, and a QB, all of whom are currently STARTING for NFL teams without having to rebuild the foundation. I don't think anyone expected the OL to be a liability, but they had to learn a new system.
And we're not replacing allstars with allstars either. We're throwing infants into an ocean and doing the best we can to keep their head above water until they learn to swim. We are simplistic, "1950s style" on offense because you can't do what we did last year before knowing the basics. The truth is that our offense isn't big enough, fast enough, or smart enough in its first year to performed like a machine.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:38 pm to chilge1
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I am perhaps the only person outside the LSU program who was encouraged by what I saw out of the offense.
We scored zero points
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:43 pm to geauxtigahs87
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We scored zero points
Considering how everyone praises Saban for "the process" and for what it's done for Bielema, it's funny how now the only thing that matters is the score.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:43 pm to chilge1
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The truth is that our offense isn't big enough, fast enough, or smart enough in its first year to performed like a machine.
So...you're saying 'wait'll next year.'? OK. We will see. I do not think that 10 years of QB futility is random. I think it is part of what Miles does(not do). Maybe Harris will set some things to right. As you said, we'll see.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:59 pm to White Tiger
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So...you're saying 'wait'll next year.'? OK. We will see.
I'm reluctant to use those words, but yes. Assuming Vadal comes back the only real hole on the OL will be Collins since Pocic is somewhat proven at C. And we return all our skill guys minus Hilliard and Magee. It should be similar on defense assuming J. mills and Kwon come back.
As for the QB dilemma, I think that Advocate article summed it up well. Perilloux screwed us round 1 where we were left with JJ and JL, and now Kiel screwed us and Crowton (and Miles) completely missed the boat on Rivers. Kiel is showing great things at Cincy and I can't really fault the staff for taking a chance on an NFL bloodline. Worked out okay for Ole Miss back in the day.
But again, we're left with two green QBs. Focusing in on Jennings specifically, I think he did exactly what he needed to in the Arky game to win it, at least until it got out of hand. Whoever is under center next year, they'll have 8 games where we should be favored to win to develop without feeling pressured to carry the team until we play Bama. As per usual, that will define our season.
Well just have to wait and see....
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:07 pm to OC504
I rewatched part of the game and came away with the opposite conclusion. Jennings had a wide open receiver on third down and over threw a 10 yard pass by about 15 feet over the receiver's head. Missed an easy 2 yard throw on another drive. Fumbled to kill a scoring opportunity. A number of the receiver drops were poor throws by Jennings.
Overall, Jennings is just not making enough plays. Tries to force balls to Dural instead of throwing to the receiver that is single covered. His back shoulder throws are off the mark. Terrible on check downs, both in using them and in missing the throws.
You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but a QB completing less than 50% of his passes this late in the season just isn't getting it done.
Overall, Jennings is just not making enough plays. Tries to force balls to Dural instead of throwing to the receiver that is single covered. His back shoulder throws are off the mark. Terrible on check downs, both in using them and in missing the throws.
You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but a QB completing less than 50% of his passes this late in the season just isn't getting it done.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:08 pm to chilge1
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I'm reluctant to use those words, but yes. Assuming Vadal comes back the only real hole on the OL will be Collins since Pocic is somewhat proven at C. And we return all our skill guys minus Hilliard and Magee. It should be similar on defense assuming J. mills and Kwon come back.
But what if they don't come back? The excuses will be "we had to replace three O-line starters, our two Sr Rb's who were also our leaders." If Dural leaves it will it be the youth excuse again at WR? Or will the excuse be that Quinn can't catch and Dupree is physically not developed? And so on and so forth.
The assumption at this point has to be that the majority of the draft eligible players are going to bail.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:15 pm to nm1230
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But what if they don't come back?
And which of those players do you see with a third round grade or better?
Can you at least wait for NFL decision day before making this argument? It makes you seem like just another arse.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:30 pm to chilge1
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And which of those players do you see with a third round grade or better?
does it matter?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:33 pm to chilge1
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83/125 Total offense; 71/125 Scoring Offense; 61/125 Passing efficiency Not as bad as thought after all!
True sophomore QB
True sophomore WR
Two true freshman WRs
Two true freshman RBs
And we're average. What did you honestly expect?
Wouldn't average put us in the MIDDLE of those ranking stats? We're bottom half of total offense and scoring offense, and slightly above 50% of the country in passing efficiency, but you can be really efficient and still not move the ball.
For example, you could go 3/3 with three two yard catches and still end up punting.
110th in passing yards.
Only Air Force, Georgia Tech and Navy have less total completions and as far as i know those teams run the triple option.
ETA: LSU now 64th in team passing efficiency, and now officially on the bottom half of NCAA FBS.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:45 pm to chilge1
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And which of those players do you see with a third round grade or better?
Can you at least wait for NFL decision day before making this argument? It makes you seem like just another arse.
I'm asking a question not making an argument.
How does it make me an arse? Is your argument that we have only lost guys with 3rd round grades in the last two off seasons?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Wouldn't average put us in the MIDDLE of those ranking stats?
You can keep your head out of your arse and say that the 63rd team out of 125 has a below-average offense by strict definition, or you can say that 1-40 is on the high end, 41-80 is in the middle, and 81-125 is on the low end
OR I can bump this thread in a week when our offense gets a boost from playing aTm's defense.
Your call.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:48 pm to nm1230
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How does it make me an arse? Is your argument that we have only lost guys with 3rd round grades in the last two off seasons?
My argument is that early departures shouldn't be discussed at all until they declare. Anything before that is speculation and headache.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:32 pm to jhhingle
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83/125 Total offense; 71/125 Scoring Offense; 61/125 Passing efficiency
Jennings is actually 83/106 is passing efficiency. That's not good.
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