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Why Math is Different Now (Video)

Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:26 am
Vimeo vid

pretty good explanation of the "new" way to multiply numbers with multiple places, and how it applies to visual-based learning and understanding of what is actually going on with multiplication

Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:29 am to
Should I avoid watching this so I don't further erode my math skills?

I figure I ought to avoid confusion at my age
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 10:30 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:29 am to
I'm at work and can't watch the video. Does this have to do with Common Core? There are actually some good things that are in Common Core. They just shoved it down our throats and you can't do that. Some kind of preparation for it would go a long ways.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Does this have to do with Common Core?

no, but i imagine curriculum changes blamed on "common core" will have similar new teaching methods
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:34 am to
After watching this video a few days ago, I'm starting to better understand the reason behind it. I'm lucky that I have a first grader, so I'll get to 're-learn' while he learns, but I'm sure it's a really hard transition to go from 'old math' one year to 'new math' the next year.

The problem with the new way of doing math is that it was rushed into practice without proper testing/teacher preparation. We now have a nation of teachers that have no idea how to teach new math, so as a result, kids are struggling and parents hate it.

In the long run, I do think it will be a better system and will teach a larger number of students how math actually works instead of the step-by-step process.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Should I avoid watching this so I don't further erode my math skills?

you may learn something
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39545 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:38 am to
God damn it, ok
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:38 am to
Good stuff. TFP!

I have a 7 yo and he is using the common core curriculum. I wish I as taught this way because I ended up developing a similar system organically in a futile attempt to "get" math. Which I never fully did.

Posted by mailman
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:38 am to


kids will never care

although the square was brilliant, something ive never seen before
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:40 am to
quote:

In the long run, I do think it will be a better system and will teach a larger number of students how math actually works instead of the step-by-step process.


I agree.

But those kids who excel with the "short cut" method will get bored.

I guess it's a matter of teaching to the middle 60%.
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:41 am to
'revolutionary' education ideas are often presented as the last, great silver bullet that will unify all other forms of learning and should therefore be standardized across the nation ... that last bit with the rectangle area would confuse a majority of students, imo ...

people don't like math for the same reason they don't like reading ... it requires effort, and god forbid, perseverance ...

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:45 am to
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I wish I as taught this way because I ended up developing a similar system organically in a futile attempt to "get" math. Which I never fully did.

i had multiple systems and breaking down numbers like this is part of it. i was not allowed to explain how i did problems in elementary school b/c i would do things like this and it confused kids

the simplest way to explain this is that wrote memorization of processes involves a method that teaches kids that a number is a single unit. 54 is 54. in reality, 54 is just a symbol of a bunch of different things. (50+4) = 54. kids see that as a math problem with 3 individual units, when they should understand that you're saying it's just 2 ways to represent the same thing

as a kid, i remember kids REALLY have a hard time with fractions. this is the exact reason why i believe they had a hard time. if you struggle with understanding that base of conceptualization, you're going to be fricked once you get to algebra. if you're fricked there, you're proper fricked in geometry, calculus, trig, etc.

the "box" in the video is a great way to show the problem in a way that will be used in geometry
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:46 am to
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people don't like math for the same reason they don't like reading ... it requires effort, and god forbid, perseverance ...

there are some kids who "get" math, but there are studies that show that just putting in work is the best indicator of doing well in math
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
69994 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:48 am to
Yeah I actually liked it. I was never shown anything like this growing up and I think it could have been useful.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
6246 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:54 am to
I hate to say it, but that's good stuff.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 10:55 am
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15491 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:55 am to
quote:

I guess it's a matter of teaching to the middle 60%.


I don't think so, my wife was a top tier student that got A's throughout school. She has no idea how to do math, she just learned the memorization skills to get through it. She has little understanding of how it works and hates doing it. Things like this could benefit everyone.

I did well in math and sought out ways to understand it beyond the memorization aspect on my own to understand it better. I would of loved to see this type of teaching in the classroom.
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16740 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:56 am to
This is exactly what common core math is like. Transferring "units" instead of carrying numbers. A lot of visual representation. My kid is tired of drawing boxes
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:00 am to
quote:

My kid is tired of drawing boxes

well this is one of those areas where individualized or segregated education would work

once you understand the concepts, you don't need to keep doing it. you should move on. the issue is classroom logistics
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16740 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:01 am to
Sure. I get the understanding part. But there are kids, maybe top 15%? Who execute and understand the math. I have never seen a teacher teach math and not verbally explain what is going on.

My concern is that these new processes are laborious, and the curriculum still covers the same amount of topics. We are losing kids this way. Every day a new concept that takes forever to complete.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
420659 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:04 am to
quote:

My concern is that these new processes are laborious, and the curriculum still covers the same amount of topics. We are losing kids this way. Every day a new concept that takes forever to complete.

i don't know exactly what you're saying, b/c i don't have kids in the curriculum, but this is a long-term thing

like i said, if you are deficient in this concept, you will be deficient in algebra, and then deficient in geometry, adn then trig and calculus will be all but impossible to understand. you can get by, by using wrote methods, but you're going to hit a limit at some point in that process and be done. these methodologies are trying to decrease the occurrences of those limits
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