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re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:50 pm to CountryVolFan
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:50 pm to CountryVolFan
C.S. Lewis, whose objectivity I really enjoy, saw it as perhaps the biggest hole in the Bible:
"Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation shall not pass till all these things be done.' And He was wrong, by any measure one uses to determine error. This is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible."
"Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation shall not pass till all these things be done.' And He was wrong, by any measure one uses to determine error. This is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible."
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It also takes just as much blind faith to blindly trust the conclusions that many of the AGW theories are based on. The idea that 35 years of ice data and less than 150 years of somewhat reliable temperature data is enough to draw definitive conclusions about what is normal and not normal in a system that is millions of years old. Christians are constantly ridiculed for the leap of faith they take when those who take scientific theories about our world millions of years ago at face value are demonstrating the same level of blind faith.
It also takes a phenomenal amount of arrogance to believe that humans have the power to stop or reverse a naturally occurring process (global warming and global cooling) largely driven by the sun.
It also takes a phenomenal amount of arrogance to believe that humans have the power to stop or reverse a naturally occurring process (global warming and global cooling) largely driven by the sun.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:33 pm to LSUlunatic
So you are equating climate change to a religion?
bingo!
It's got dogma, it's got heretics, it's great!
bingo!
It's got dogma, it's got heretics, it's great!
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm sorry that CS Lewis misunderstood this passage. If you want to leave an email I'll send you why. Otherwise, I'd prefer to follow the board rules.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:41 pm to LSUlunatic
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Why be skeptical of climate change but not religion? Why require scientific data to support your beliefs re: climate change but require no such data to support your religious beliefs? Do you not see the inconsistency?
Apples to oranges, buddy. Demanding empirical/objective evidence for a perceptive phenomena which is at it's essence subjective, would be an irrational enterprise on it's face.
Jesus said that his kingdom "is not of this World". It is of the Spirit. Neither Love nor Beauty can be quantified; but for the subjective effect that they have on an individual. Or a group. Yet they are two of the most powerful forces in the Universe. There are a ton of folk in this world for which neither even exist; and if you tried to present those folk evidence - of your own subjective experience of Love - they would simply find your testimony perplexing. Probably label you a fool or crazy, and deem your knowledge worthless, in the 'real' world. Pretty much what happens on this very forum, by degree.
There are two possibilities...only two. Either the essential basis of Perceived Reality is Conscious Energy at it's core...and if so...we are it's 'children' and co-exist for eternity. Probably evolving into more complex, knowledgeable/powerful forms of life, as we so choose.
If the essence of Perceived Reality is simply the result of an unconscious, non-feeling and by chance interaction of Matter and Energy producing a form of conscious being...then the conscious being is destined to go back to it's (unfeeling) source.
Bottom line. Two individuals can live...and die as well. But the lives of the two can be radically and diametrically opposed in a SUBJECTIVE sense. One individual can choose to validate the Idea of an eternal and loving God as Creative Force...and the other, unfeeling and temporal Nature. Belief of the former would create love in the individual who so chooses/validates/worships Love...while belief/validation of loveless Nature (Natural creation) would result in a sure and hopeless mindset, as one moved to a future of personal termination and non-existence.
Live and learn.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:22 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:
You know how advice is. You only want it if it agrees with what you wanted to do anyway.
John Steinbeck
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:04 am to LSUlunatic
quote:Your premise is incorrect.
Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?
Most conservatives don't embrace a lack of evidence regarding climate change. They embrace the fact that Democrats were the ones pushing for it; therefore they are against it.
That's how the left/right myth works....Same mythical belief in religion.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:27 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:the error of this sentence invalidates your entire link.
During the 3rd century CE, Mithraism and Christianity were the main competitors for the religious affiliation the citizens of Romans.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:lolz. What was the associates name?
My uncle actually had a climatologist associate who contacted him and asked if he would help him "skew" data regarding ocean warming trends.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
why revive this thread? So much ignorance and denial from both sides. 
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:48 pm to ChineseBandit58
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wtf?
any 6th grader can explain that
oh, sorry for your ignorance.
seriously, you couldnt pick up the Bill Oreilly sarcasm
oh, sorry for your ignorance.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:51 pm to RCDfan1950
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Jesus said that his kingdom "is not of this World"
Correction....
an author writing down stories of the past recollected 40-70 years after the fact that Jesus possibly might have said 'is not of this World'
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