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re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?
Because their is a ton of evidence to support religion. From old books from the bible to modern day visits to Heaven and meetings with Jesus.
Of course peope will judge Christians for having different thoughts than their own and that is expected.
1 Corinthians 3:18, 8:2= man is not as smart as he thinks he is.
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:26 pm to ctiger69
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From old books from the bible to modern day visits to Heaven and meetings with Jesus.
Don't ever change, you dumb beautiful bastard
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:41 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I follow Buddhist philosophy. It is more of a life philosophy than religion. I believe that there is a life force in the universe that flows through all living entitities. That impulse is loving and evolutionary. Man perverts that life force in many ways but man also demonstrates the reality of that life force everyday in loving, sacrificial ways. Good and evil are simply functions of living in accordance with or against that living, evolving creative impulse.
u cray cray
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:47 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The first conscious thought of every human should be "Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life".
Well what you describe as evidenced in your above quote is a robot. A creature of nothing more than rote.
I'll pass.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:26 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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People don't reason their way into religious beliefs and therefore you can't use reason to get them out of it. Bottom line.
By what method do people either accept new beliefs or reject old ones?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Don't ever change, you dumb beautiful bastard
Have a good night ignorant Roger and the same for your boyfriend.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:28 pm to goatmilker
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Well what you describe as evidenced in your above quote is a robot. A creature of nothing more than rote.
You believe such an existence would be "robotic" only because you know differently. Had God created us incapable of worshipping anyone or anything else, we would never know any better.
Ask yourself this: How much sleep have you lost in life over your inability to fly? Is being unable to fly a deprivation of free will?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:31 pm to dawg2357
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By what method do people either accept new beliefs or reject old ones?
People do so for largely illogical reasons on both sides. Most religious individuals believe what they believe because its what they were taught as children, and many nonbelievers were once religious but left for petty reasons having nothing to do with logic (such as bad church experiences, mean Christians, angry with God, etc.) Newfound belief in religion is usually based on subjective experiences one had at a relatively low and vulnerable point in life, and the belief that grapple onto is typically the mainstream belief of whatever society they live in.
In my experience, maybe 15-20% of the people in this country (religious or not) can intelligently defend what they believe with logic that stands up to at least basic scrutiny.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:34 pm to ctiger69
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Because their is a ton of evidence to support religion. From old books from the bible to modern day visits to Heaven and meetings with Jesus.
Why must one accept these books? Why not the Upanishads or the Quran? Likewise some Muslims make similar claims of near death experiences. Can that be used as evidence for their belief system?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:39 pm to dawg2357
Near death experiences, if they reflect any religious ideology, are usually regionally associated. Arabs see Muhammad, Americans and Europeans see Jesus, Indians see Hindu imagery, etc.
Many near death experiences exhibit entirely non-religious themes, while believers and non-believers alike have experienced very unpleasant NDE. There is no rhyme or reason and it certainly isn't evidence of anything, especially given that we have a pretty solid biochemical mechanism for them. We can and have experimentally replicated NDE of all types using ketamine.
Many near death experiences exhibit entirely non-religious themes, while believers and non-believers alike have experienced very unpleasant NDE. There is no rhyme or reason and it certainly isn't evidence of anything, especially given that we have a pretty solid biochemical mechanism for them. We can and have experimentally replicated NDE of all types using ketamine.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
I agree. Even if the event in question actually occurred, the swaying power of such an argument would be extraordinarily weak.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 8:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Ask yourself this: How much sleep have you lost in life over your inability to fly? Is being unable to fly a deprivation of free will?
And your point?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:00 pm to goatmilker
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And your point?
You don't consider being unable to fly a deprivation of free will because no human has ever or will ever be able to do it. It's simply the way things are.
Likewise, had God created us only capable of knowing him as the one true God it would not be a deprivation of free will, or "robotic" as you say. it would just be the way things were, you would not even consider a reality where things were different. If God exist, the only reason we are capable of not believing in him is because he allows us to have that capacity. There is nothing virtuous about granting us that ability, because as said previously we only know the states that are possible for us to know.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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because no human has ever or will ever be able to do it. It's simply the way things are.
Disagree as I have soled in a mechanical device and for a brief moment had dream control and flew like superman in my dreams.
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Likewise, had God created us only capable of knowing him as the one true God it would not be a deprivation of free will, or "robotic" as you say. it would just be the way things were, you would not even consider a reality where things were different.
Agree.
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If God exist, the only reason we are capable of not believing in him is because he allows us to have that capacity.
Agree.
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There is nothing virtuous about granting us that ability
I would not presume to know the virtue of God and Gods.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:35 pm to goatmilker
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There is so much incorrect in your post. Sorry to tell you but many 1-6 years old had no religion "poured" into them at all only to find faith later in their life. I know this goes against your point but its the truth.
Not to mention the fact that in the United States, a nation with a great deal of religious freedom and religious diversity, there are literally millions of people who have changed their affiliation as adults. That fact cannot in any way be reconciled with the argument that religion is the product of brainwashing.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In my experience, maybe 15-20% of the people in this country (religious or not) can intelligently defend what they believe with logic that stands up to at least basic scrutiny.
Disagree. "Illogical" in this context simply means "I don't agree with them".
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:03 pm to NorthEnd
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What about the liberals that believe in God
It sure gets quiet on that topic.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:28 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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"Illogical" in this context simply means "I don't agree with them".
No it doesn't, I specifically said that number includes both religious and non-religious people. Huge numbers of nonbelievers aren't religious for stupid reasons.
The majority of my friends and family are religious, and I've known a good number of them who I disagree with but respect their ability to coherently defend what they believe.
Illogical defenses of religion include things like circular reasoning (the Bible/Koran is true because the Bible/Koran says so), debunked pseudoscience meant to "disprove" things like evolution, the beauty in the world inherently proves my God exists, arguing life has no meaning without God, etc.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:32 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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there are literally millions of people who have changed their affiliation as adults
If we include people who switch from atheism to agnosticism, or from one Christian denomination to another, or people raised in religious homes who just become culturally religious but don't practice, then sure. People switching between fundamentally different faiths is actually not that common however.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:10 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Because religion gets poured into your young psyche between the ages of 0-6 when there is no ability to filter or use critical thinking regarding the information going in. It is brainwashing plain and simple. Your religion is a function of geography, culture and psychological conditioning. People don't reason their way into religious beliefs and therefore you can't use reason to get them out of it. Bottom line.
The Christian narrative isn't any less dumb than Greek or Roman myths; the key difference is that most of us were browbeaten with it at a young age
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