re: Is Vladimir Klitchko the greatest Heavyweight of all time?

I'm a huge Holmes fan I don't get where you are thinking I'm saying anything bad about him.

But the Bay St Louis Holmes was a clown he had to be to get back into the conversation.

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the competition now is nothing compared to the past

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You say this, and then the very next sentence you're talking about Tyson. Hilarious. As if Tyson's competition was any more difficult that today's. . .

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Larry Holmes would be a nightmare for the Russians.

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Larry Holmes has the GOAT jab but you can't beat a taller boxer who also has great jab by out jabbing him

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Dude. Holmes at 42 or 43 whipped a damn good merciless Ray mercer then gave Holyfield all he could handle and Larry had a detached retina before that fight and didn't back out

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Holmes was an active fighter by then. He was old, but still active.

When Tyson fought him Holmes was retired and out of the ring almost two years. It makes a difference.

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However, facts are facts. The competition during his run was pretty weak.

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Exactly. He made his name beating nobodies. He'd have been beaten by Ali, Frazier, Foreman, prime Holmes, and probably at least one of the Klitschko's(neither of whom could beat the guys earlier on this list).

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What? The guys who lost to Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Puritty, Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis?

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Of those guys the only one to really beat the Klitschko is Sanders vs Wlad.

Wlad gassed/poisoned vs Brewster and Purity, in both fights he was basically out on his feet before getting it. The Brewster fight is especially bizarre because Wlad wasn't even exerting a ton of energy going for the finish and then out of thin air could barely stay on his feet.

Vitali was pretty much shutting out Byrd until he got injured(I believe a torn rotator cuff).

Vitali was also ahead on the cards 4-2 vs Lennox in what was a slugfest. Logic tells you who would of won that fight if not for the cut. The iron chinned Vitali(only heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to have never been knocked down) or Lennox who was known for having suspect chin.

That's not really their fault however.

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However, facts are facts. The competition during his run was pretty weak.

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I would love to see Frazier vs. Tyson both in prime... What a battle that would be...........

frick these Russian guys...

Best ever?

This is like saying Alabama is the national champ during the 1960's while ducking all the teams with black fricking players!!!!!!!

And there's people like Bubba Smith, Gene Washington, OJ, Sam Bam Cunningham, Sherman Lewis are saying, excuse me?

You fought against lame arse white shite. Just like in football. Congrats. You can beat slow white people.

"All the Southern players, we were outcasts from our own states," said former Michigan State wide receiver Gene Washington...all of the states where we were from, they would not take black athletes. So we went North...and the Big 10 and Pac-10 dominated."

"If they could have played down South, they would have probably stayed down there," said Hank Bullough, an assistant under Daugherty from 1959 to 1969. "But they couldn't. It was a new place to go."

So (just like in CFB) you can't be the best if you played, fought or rolled around with the second-class athletes...(white middle class boys) for an afternoon.

The black American athlete is no longer going into boxing...and therefore the best is no longer going into boxing.

I use my analogy because it feels like the K bros are champions of some segregated society and only they are privy to participate.