but it is so terrible to criticize people who make bad choices? I was looking at the difference in these articles, with the new emerging social issue, and it really got my wheels spinning.

How Fit Shaming is the New Fat Shaming

the most striking were these comments:

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*We’re Told to Eat Something
*People Assume We’re Unhealthy
*Women Are Told We’re Unattractive
*People Are Downright Rude to Our Faces (#sorrynotsorry)

while i'm not a fan of the muscular look on women, that is OK b/c i don't have to frick them. but it's totes socially acceptable to say all sorts of mean arse shite to these women while if you said the equivalent to a fat chick, you'd be criticized for being mean. why? because we assume that since these women do the right thing by working out, they seem to be able to handle criticism, while we implicitly understand that the weaklings who are fat fricks likely can't deal with the criticism (b/c they're weak and all).

5 Reasons We Need to Stop Thinking of Fat Shaming as "Reverse Discrimination"

this article starts out with the "skinny shaming" is just as wrong as fat shaming mantra, but you know there's a "but..."

Let's Talk about Thin Privilege

Ah "privilege", that amazing concept that is becoming the translation (in this area) for "making good choices, or at least better choices than the people who are seen to be discriminated against within the particular area that is being discussed."

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When we talk about fatphobia, we’re talking about the idea that we live in a thin-centric world that demonizes fat bodies, that the very structures that hold up our society prioritize the comfort and safety of thin bodies.

is privilege the reason why we have such a double standard that is opposite of how reality should be (reality should be criticizing people who make bad choices and rewarding/acknowledging people who make good choices). i mean if we're going to criticize one side, shouldn't it be the fat people? why is it more acceptable to criticize people who work out?

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The intersection of fatphobia and sexism matters, and we can’t discuss the problem of fat-shaming without acknowledging that fatphobia adds an additional layer of oppression.

oppression? in the article this follows an example where the author and a hypothetical fat friend are at the beach eating ice cream, and how it's discriminatory and oppression that people would think about the 2 differently.

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You can’t oppress the people who have social power. That’s not how it works.

Similarly, the reason why skinny-shaming doesn’t exist as equally oppressive as fat-shaming is because there is no additional power behind it.

It’s important to understand that even if individuals shame you, love and appreciation for you is still woven into the fabric of our society.

when did this power emerge? is there a secret cabal of skinny people promulgating these societal rules? oh there isn't? this is just natural biology and reactions to our evolutionary concepts of health? it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why males are wired to reject fat women. ignoring the fact that they appear pregnant (which sets of evolutionary triggers regarding mating), they are publicly displaying their inability to care for their bodies. our biological sexual segregation alarms are going off because our evolutionary brain is telling us that our children will be taken care of in the same manner. that's not oppression, unless you want to argue that obesity is healthier than being in shape. that's what this all comes down to.

…and as for direct thin shaming (i told you there was going to be a "...but" after that intro)

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These generalizations are often used by marginalized groups to combat the oppressive structures that they represent.

That is, they don’t actually exist to demonize the individuals in those privileged groups.

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If I’m making a generalization about “white men,” I’m not talking about each and every individual white man; I’m talking about the social power that is bestowed upon white men as a group that gives them a sense of entitlement.

But because women of color are disenfranchised, when you generalize them, you actually are affecting each and every individual woman of color – because you’re participating in their marginalization, both as a group and as individuals.

i don't even know how to fricking respond to this. SJWs create their own double-standards that are the very being of their arguments. this inherent bias and discrimination makes discussing the issue with a SJW all but impossible. this applies to any area of discussion involving "privilege" where those who see themselves outside of the area of "privilege" can irrationally comment, argue, and spew vitriol at innocent persons of "privilege" who have done nothing wrong. and can those of "privilege" respond? nope. they're privilege has apparently already spoken for them. any individual act that is worthy in their life is dismissed as being due to privilege, and any negative act is a sign of the person's lack of moral value. the argument of o"privilege" by SJWs is bullshite for this very reason.

this continues on in her final points, which summarizes this morally bankrupt argument almost in its entirety

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The argument is that anything that purports fat bodies as worthy of love are inherently skinny-shaming because they don’t include skinny women or because they posit thick bodies as somehow “better than” thin ones.

But here’s the thing: Because disenfranchised groups – in this case, I’m talking about groups who have systematically been left out of consideration in the definition of “beauty” – need to be empowered and lifted up to even get to the level that privileged people are.

and there you have it. those who cannot do, need help. so we can criticize those who do the right things, but it's wrong to criticize those who choose not to.

if you want to reach this hypothetical level, then do what the "empowered" groups do. this isn't privilege based on something you can't control (gender, race). this is based on what you do and the collection of your choices. i'm going to be fully honest and tell you that no, your choices are not as worthy or valuable as those of people who are healthy (not i didn't say "skinny").

and yes, the culmination of your choices DOES say something about you as a person. again, this is a discussion about behavior, not some genetic lottery win that you have no control over (like race/gender). i am fat. it shows that i am weak-willed and i make easy choices instead of good choices in this area of my life. this says a lot about me without me ever having to say anything myself. trying to act that the culmination of THOUSANDS of choices over YEARS doesn't say something about me is pure insanity.

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