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Why do some think the immigration system is not broken?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:40 am
Seems a lotta people are saying this, and that we only need to enforce the current laws.
I do not agree with the presidents actions last night, but I do believe the system we have in place is shitty. No way it should take that long to do it the right way. Just my opinion.
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I do not agree with the presidents actions last night, but I do believe the system we have in place is shitty. No way it should take that long to do it the right way. Just my opinion.
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:42 am to deuceiswild
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but I do believe the system we have in place is shitty.
How do you propose to fix it?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:44 am to deuceiswild
And why do some think it IS broken?!?! If used correctly and laws applied properly and in a timely fashion, it works!
My parents waited 10 YEARS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY for a visa to the US. (note: they did NOT come here ILLEGALLY and then demanded opportunities) Once the visa was approved, we came here LEGALLY, my parents had a work permit and went to work IMMEDIATELY. No government assistance was EVER taken. After 2 years, they obtained their green card (permanent residence). After an additional 3 years they got their citizenship. Simple, straightforward, LEGAL! Yes, it took a long time. But it's was the law of the country, and they obeyed it. And they had no demands and no expectations.
My parents waited 10 YEARS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY for a visa to the US. (note: they did NOT come here ILLEGALLY and then demanded opportunities) Once the visa was approved, we came here LEGALLY, my parents had a work permit and went to work IMMEDIATELY. No government assistance was EVER taken. After 2 years, they obtained their green card (permanent residence). After an additional 3 years they got their citizenship. Simple, straightforward, LEGAL! Yes, it took a long time. But it's was the law of the country, and they obeyed it. And they had no demands and no expectations.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:46 am to conservativewifeymom
The timely fashion part isn't working out so well for us.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:48 am to deuceiswild
That has nothing to do with it IF you're not here LEGALLY to being with!! 
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:49 am to deuceiswild
Boarder control is broke. The rest can be refined.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:50 am to conservativewifeymom
Like I said I do not agree with obamas actions last night. But I don't think it should take so long to do it the right way either.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:51 am to conservativewifeymom
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My parents waited 10 YEARS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY for a visa to the US. (note: they did NOT come here ILLEGALLY and then demanded opportunities) Once the visa was approved, we came here LEGALLY, my parents had a work permit and went to work IMMEDIATELY. No government assistance was EVER taken. After 2 years, they obtained their green card (permanent residence). After an additional 3 years they got their citizenship. Simple, straightforward, LEGAL! Yes, it took a long time. But it's was the law of the country, and they obeyed it. And they had no demands and no expectations.
Dems don't want this. Either you're naturally a conservative person because conservative generally respect law and order or you become conservative for the most part if you go through this assimilation process. These people more than likely will end up voting R. Dems don't want this.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:52 am to deuceiswild
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I don't think it should take so long to do it the right way either.
There is no middle ground. You're either for a secure border or you aren't. You're either for amnesty or you're not.
While there could have been some agreement on work visas, the right refuses to negotiate unless there is agreement on securing the border and punishment and the left refuses to negotiate unless there is amnesty.
That's why it has taken so long to "do it the right way" - it's called the Constitution, brah.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:55 am to deuceiswild
We should not change our laws to suit the illegals. If they don't like how long it takes, the same border they crossed illegally can be crossed back home. Simple!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:58 am to GumboPot
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How do you propose to fix it?
Shoot them frickers when they try to sneak in. It won't take long for them to get the message.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:58 am to deuceiswild
Until every citizen of The World has access to our social welfare programs there will be human inequality. If Our mission is to effect Transformative Change and to end human inequality forever as we say it is, then anything that impedes open borders and cross-migrations of populations is discriminatory and evil.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:01 am to Ace Midnight
Depends on how you define securing the border. A secure border IMO doesn't mean an electric fence running along a moat that contains sharks with frickin laser beams.
It should mean simply that we know who is here at all times and what their status is.
I'm not in favor of blanket amnesty, but what else can you really do, other than fix the current laws? In other words, streamline the process. Mass deportation would be impossible. Imprisoning them would be damn near impossible and totally undesirable. So you have to do something to aid those who are already here. But in doing so, you MUST also fix the border situation. If it requires a fence then so be it. If it requires more patrol agents then so be it. Everything MUST begin at the border, THEN we can move along and try to help those who are already here. I don't claim to have the answer on how to fix this either. But I can sure as hell see that our current laws are a big part of the problem.
It should mean simply that we know who is here at all times and what their status is.
I'm not in favor of blanket amnesty, but what else can you really do, other than fix the current laws? In other words, streamline the process. Mass deportation would be impossible. Imprisoning them would be damn near impossible and totally undesirable. So you have to do something to aid those who are already here. But in doing so, you MUST also fix the border situation. If it requires a fence then so be it. If it requires more patrol agents then so be it. Everything MUST begin at the border, THEN we can move along and try to help those who are already here. I don't claim to have the answer on how to fix this either. But I can sure as hell see that our current laws are a big part of the problem.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:02 am to deuceiswild
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but I do believe the system we have in place is shitty. No way it should take that long to do it the right way.
how long should it take?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:05 am to deuceiswild
They didn't properly enforce the immigration laws from the 1960's so we fixed that broken system in the 1980's. Now they don't enforce those laws so we have to add more laws to "fix" the ones we don't enforce. Arewe going to enforce these?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:06 am to deuceiswild
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But I don't think it should take so long to do it the right way either.
I assume by "do it the right way" you mean come here permanently, legally. If so, I agree with that. In general I think that the "right way" for everything immigrants do should be faster and easier- at least for immigrants who are students or already-skilled. I don't know how to fix that, but I don't see how formalizing our deportation priorities or saying we're going to secure the border will fix what I see as the biggest problem.
Guess I don't share the nativist mentality I see on the right. I'm also not convinced that illegals are causing much of a problem for our safety net. Local school budgets...possibly.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:11 am to 90proofprofessional
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I'm also not convinced that illegals are causing much of a problem for our safety net. Local school budgets...possibly.
LOL. Jails, hospitals, Medicaid? Wake up from thy slumber.
Why should we be inundated with illegals simply because of their proximity? Why are they so special?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:11 am to CptBengal
I have no idea, but I'd say two to four years should be the most. I just pulled that outta my arse though.
I'm just looking at it from a real world view. These people are here. We cannot get rid of them. In their eyes they can take a very low risk gamble and keep doing what they're doing, or we can streamline their process to become citizens faster.
And once they are citizens I still say they should not receive any govt benefits for some predetermined time, even while paying taxes. By benefits, I mean cash benefits. I have no issue with their children attending our schools or using limited govt services once they're "on the books". This should all be spelled out clearly. They came here on their own free will and they can choose to leave if they don't like the terms.
I'm just looking at it from a real world view. These people are here. We cannot get rid of them. In their eyes they can take a very low risk gamble and keep doing what they're doing, or we can streamline their process to become citizens faster.
And once they are citizens I still say they should not receive any govt benefits for some predetermined time, even while paying taxes. By benefits, I mean cash benefits. I have no issue with their children attending our schools or using limited govt services once they're "on the books". This should all be spelled out clearly. They came here on their own free will and they can choose to leave if they don't like the terms.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:30 am to texashorn
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Jails, hospitals, Medicaid? Wake up from thy slumber.
The only one of those I'd be terribly concerned about would be if significant numbers were on Medicaid. Are they?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:34 am to deuceiswild
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I have no idea, but I'd say two to four years should be the most.
It's only 5 currently, 3 if you are or get married.
Seriously, that doesnt seem onerous for people who want to come here and work.
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These people are here. We cannot get rid of them.
Why not?
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They came here on their own free will and they can choose to leave if they don't like the terms.
They broke the law coming here. Why should we concede terms to criminals?
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