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Let's Examine the Emperor's Royal Decree
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:25 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:25 am
Let's examine the practicality and logic of Emperor Obama the 1st.
So how does an illegal immigrant prove they were here by January 1, 2010? If they are working, they are not on work payrolls, because that is illegal for businesses to hire them. They can't own a home. They don't pay taxes. So what proves they were in the country by January 1, 2010?
Answer: They can't. So this will lead to subjective screenings. Meaning, anyone who lies will be granted leniency from deportation.
The real intent, is to create a true border crisis. I'm talking one where we have 100,000 pushing through the border.
LINK
And the idea that Obama would actually enforce any EO completely, in terms of increased border security, can not and should not be trusted.
He has already set a precedent of changing the laws unilaterally after they are approved. The Obamacare law, the "law of the land" as the dems like to say, was changed unilaterally 30+ times without any congressional approval. So this EO, or any other EO's or laws passed by Obama should NEVER be approved, because he will break those laws every time. He's already proven what he will do for political gains.
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The U.S. president's sweeping immigration reform boils down to a temporary reprieve that will help certain groups of illegal immigrants avoid prosecution and deportation back to their home countries.
People in qualifying groups must pass criminal and national security background checks, pay taxes and a fine, and prove their eligibility.
The groups are:
Parents of U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents who have been in the US since January 1, 2010,and who are not 'enforcement priorities'
People who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children before the age of 16
No one qualifies for protection under the new guidelines if they were not living in the U.S. as of January 1, 2010.
It will take the federal government several months to prepare for receiving applications.
By that time, Republicans will control both houses of Congress and may take action to reverse the policy.
So how does an illegal immigrant prove they were here by January 1, 2010? If they are working, they are not on work payrolls, because that is illegal for businesses to hire them. They can't own a home. They don't pay taxes. So what proves they were in the country by January 1, 2010?
Answer: They can't. So this will lead to subjective screenings. Meaning, anyone who lies will be granted leniency from deportation.
The real intent, is to create a true border crisis. I'm talking one where we have 100,000 pushing through the border.
LINK
And the idea that Obama would actually enforce any EO completely, in terms of increased border security, can not and should not be trusted.
He has already set a precedent of changing the laws unilaterally after they are approved. The Obamacare law, the "law of the land" as the dems like to say, was changed unilaterally 30+ times without any congressional approval. So this EO, or any other EO's or laws passed by Obama should NEVER be approved, because he will break those laws every time. He's already proven what he will do for political gains.
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:30 am to BugAC
People are focusing too much on what he said in his speech rather than the fact that he, once again, thumbed his nose at congress and the American people and did whatever the hell he wants. He is a spoiled child who did this in retaliation for the midterms. I have a 10 year old who is more mature and thoughtful.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:51 am to BugAC
I'm sure Obama is pleased with himself.
He probably fancies himself as the new Abraham Lincoln, and this decree as his own 'Emancipation Proclamation'.
He probably fancies himself as the new Abraham Lincoln, and this decree as his own 'Emancipation Proclamation'.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:53 am to BugAC
Downvoted for starting too many dumb threads.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:55 am to TT9
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Downvoted for starting too many dumb threads.
Awww, did i hurt your feelings because i disagreed with your owner?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:55 am to TrueTiger
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He probably fancies himself as the new Abraham Lincoln
Then he probably needs to avoid the VIP boxes at theaters when attending stage plays.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:56 am to TrueTiger
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He probably fancies himself as the new Abraham Lincoln, and this decree as his own 'Emancipation Proclamation'.
Well this isn't the first time a political "leader" exploited an entire ethnic group for more power.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:52 am to BugAC
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Let's Examine the Emperor's Royal Decree
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In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed the so-called “amnesty” law passed by Congress that granted legal status to three million undocumented immigrants, and then acted on his own the following year to expand it to about 100,000 more. Credit Ron Edmunds/Associated Press
Obama: Not even our first Emperor.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:09 am to TrueTiger
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I'm sure Obama is pleased with himself.
From the year Barry was born, West Side Story - Everything free in America!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:12 am to michaeldwde
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Obama: Not even our first Emperor.
Do i need to explain to you how congressional approval works? I did it quite thoroughly yesterday on this particular issue. Let me find the link.
Ronald Reagan and the AP Distortion
Read up, you may learn something.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:13 am to michaeldwde
quote:can you link the potion of the article where it states "against the will of congress"?
Obama: Not even our first Emperor.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:21 am to TrueTiger
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his own 'Emancipation Proclamation'.
That's exactly how Georgia congressmen John Lewis and Hank Johnson describe the action.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:19 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Hank Johnson
The Guam expert.
What a genius.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:25 am to BugAC
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So how does an illegal immigrant prove they were here by January 1, 2010?
There are many ways to do this.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:10 am to BugAC
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Do i need to explain to you how congressional approval works? I did it quite thoroughly yesterday on this particular issue. Let me find the link.
No. I've spent my life studying politics, strategies, elections, laws, and results.
My sarcastic comment, albeit simplistic, was directed at the imbecilic suggestion that Obama is somehow an, "Emperor."
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Every president since Dwight D. Eisenhower has suspended some deportations. President Reagan did it to 100,000 families. He did it on the basis of the 1986 statute enacted by the Congress. President George H.W.Bush did it for 1.5 million people, only about 350,000 took advantage of it, and it was based on his interpretation of the statute. President Obama does not re-interpret a statute. He takes a statute and says ‘I’m going to disregard it. I’m going to give you a better one. I’m going to set down a set of standards that I would have written had I been the law maker.’ He’s not the law maker, he’s the law enforcer.’
It's the President's job to enforce the Law. It is the Judiciary's job to interpret the Law.
Reagan/Bush
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...there were strict requirements about who could get legalized: most importantly, immigrants had to have been in the US since 1982. And that meant some members of families were eligible while others weren't. If an immigrant who was eligible for legalization under IRCA had a spouse or a child who wasn't eligible, the spouse or child was out of luck. This struck many — including Reagan — as unfair. The year after IRCA passed, President Reagan took executive action to keep some of those spouses and kids from getting deported.
Uh-oh. Did he just, "unilaterally," decide to amend/interpret a law?
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In July 1989, the Senate passed an Immigration Act which would have given legal status to the children and spouses of IRCA beneficiaries (while doing a bunch of other things as well). But the bill languished in the House for several months.
When President Bush decided to expand the Family Fairness program to its 1.5-million immigrant size in February 1990, he was acting to protect people who would have gotten legal status in a bill that had passed the Senate but not the House.
Wait a minute. Where have I heard that before?
Court Decision (interpretation of the Law)
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The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (hereinafter "the Act") substantially reformed the immigration laws of the United States. While the Act's primary purpose is to stop illegal immigration, it also provided a legalization program for aliens who had entered the United States before January 1, 1982. See 8 U.S.C. § 1255a. It is also clear, however, that Congress did not intend to extend this legalization program to aliens who entered the United States after January 1, 1982 — including the families of legalized aliens. The Senate Judiciary Committee stated:
It is the intent of the Committee that the families of legalized aliens will obtain no special petitioning right by virtue of the legalization. They will be required to "wait in line" in the same manner as immediate family members of other new resident aliens.
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