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re: One step closer to tying homosexuality to the human genome
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:47 am to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:47 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:47 am to WeeWee
quote:Not to mention the hysteria it would create for SEC Crazy and his brethren in the big business of organized religion.
The gay conversation will never be shut down. It is a dividing issue and political ppl will continue to use it as such. Civil Right Act has been law for over 50 years and AA's are still trying to say they are being discriminated against. As long as the winning strategy in politics is divide and conquer and ppl vote based on one social issue vs fiscal or foreign policy the converstaion will still exist.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:49 am to Paluka
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(in this case, starting with pairs of homosexual brother--a relative rarity)
And let's nevermind the conundrum presented in the idea that it's rare for brothers to both be homosexual.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:51 am to the808bass
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If you're not comparing them to heterosexuals with similar dna and environment, it's difficult to tell what is the "norm," correct?
I'm not sure what you mean by "similar DNA and environment" in the context of these genome wide studies. What they are essentially doing is focusing on linkage and using vast sample size and power to give their data statistical significance.
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And I would bet dollars to donuts that there are self-identified straight people with the genome characteristics listed in this study.
Nothing is absolute, but a statistically significant difference is a statistically significant difference.
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If there are straight people with the genetic difference, why aren't they gay?
This is an extremely simplistic view of genetics.
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Could the genomes be influenced by the environment and behavior rather than vice versa?
As in one's behavior changing his DNA sequence? I highly doubt so. Mutations will always happen as errors in DNA replication will sometimes slip through repair mechanisms. But what you are describing just doesn't make much physiologic sense.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:51 am to onmymedicalgrind
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What you have to realize is "a gene" for something as complex as sexual preference will likely never be found. That's not the way things work. Even for better understood, very heritable pathologies such as diabetes or HTN, there is no single gene implicated. Heritability is the more interesting subject here, and evidence of such supports the theory that sexual preference is somewhere in the DNA (whether specific sequence, alleles, epigenetic factors, etc) even if those specific mechanisms are never completely elucidated.
That's my take as well. Even something as simple as eye color turned out to be far more complex than simple genetic expression. Has anyone looked into fetal hormone levels? Just off intuition and from what I remember from studying, that seems like a logical place to start.
Delicately, I'll step in and say there might be some early (like before you turn four or five years old) childhood experiences involved - not implying sexual abuse or anything like that, just some sociological dominance and submissive dynamics involved. Wouldn't that seem to explain the phenomenon of younger brothers having a much higher likelihood of being homosexual than older brothers?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:52 am to TX Tiger
I will never accept men sticking their penises in the shite stained and crusted anus of other men as normal.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:52 am to the808bass
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And let's nevermind the conundrum presented in the idea that it's rare for brothers to both be homosexual.
I don't want to address that since I haven't read the study to see they addressed that, but just because they share 5 genes in a genome of billions. Humans share 99.9% of the same genome so I would imagine all gays have alot more than 5 genes in common.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:54 am to goldennugget
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I will never accept men sticking their penises in the shite stained and crusted anus of other men as normal.
I've always found it odd how descriptive people who condemn homosexuality are.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:55 am to WeeWee
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Can solve CF, Sicke Cell, and other diseases that actually kill ppl first?
Yeah seriously. We know exactly what and where CF mutations are for the most part, and we still have no effective disease modifying genetic treatments. Its exceedingly challenging.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:55 am to goldennugget
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I will never accept men sticking their penises in the shite stained and crusted anus of other men as normal.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:57 am to the808bass
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And let's nevermind the conundrum presented in the idea that it's rare for brothers to both be homosexual.
Not sure what you mean by this. It is also much more likely for someone to be homosexual if his brother is homosexual. The incidence of homosexual in monozygotic male twins is even higher when compared to dizygotic.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:58 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I've always found it odd how descriptive people who condemn homosexuality are.
Ditto. Really strange, and disturbing.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:02 am to Tigerlaff
You are going to feel the heat of Christ on that azz if you keep pushing homosexuality as normal to kids.
When money changers sold goods in Christ Father's house / Temple, Christ got angry and ran them all out.
When you have an idiot, citing ignorant studies that say God created men as homosexuals, then you are mocking God who says homosexuality is an abominable.
God created zero homosexuals, they are homosexuals because they love evil.
You keep advocating for these perverts and you will be answering for your stupidity.
When money changers sold goods in Christ Father's house / Temple, Christ got angry and ran them all out.
When you have an idiot, citing ignorant studies that say God created men as homosexuals, then you are mocking God who says homosexuality is an abominable.
God created zero homosexuals, they are homosexuals because they love evil.
You keep advocating for these perverts and you will be answering for your stupidity.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:04 am to S.E.C. Crazy
You're trolling is becoming a little too obvious. Might want to reel it in a bit.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:04 am to S.E.C. Crazy
God didn't create two Adams
God didn't create multiple Eves
God created one male Adam and one female Eve
That's the only argument you need
God didn't create multiple Eves
God created one male Adam and one female Eve
That's the only argument you need
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:04 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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From an idiot pushing two men sucking cocks as normal, you ignorant POS. You need to get naked with about 40 of them and just go for it, I mean be what your heart desires you liberal idiot.
You seem to be quite upset that these guys are getting more action than you.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:04 am to onmymedicalgrind
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extremely simplistic
I agree. That's kind of the point. I'm not arguing for genetics being determinant here. I think Hamer is.
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As in one's behavior changing his DNA sequence? I highly doubt so.
DNA mutates over one's life. This can be internal or externally influenced.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:05 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I've always found it odd how descriptive people who condemn homosexuality are.
Because you homosexual apologists are always like "I don't get how you could be disgusted by gays".
It's easy to find reasons to be grossed out.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:05 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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You are going to feel the heat of Christ on that azz if you keep pushing homosexuality as normal to kids.
When money changers sold goods in Christ Father's house / Temple, Christ got angry and ran them all out.
When you have an idiot, citing ignorant studies that say God created men as homosexuals, then you are mocking God who says homosexuality is an abominable.
God created zero homosexuals, they are homosexuals because they love evil.
You keep advocating for these perverts and you will be answering for your stupidity.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:06 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:To play devil's advocate, why do you believe that?
Well, the issue is whether homosexuality is an "illness" or normal variant. I say the latter.
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