Oregon - Liberal mecca. Denied...

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The ballot initiative known as Measure 88 would have given four-year driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants “without requiring proof of legal presence in the United States” and died with a vote of 68 -33 percent.

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Mr. President.

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Sir, here is what the American people want, since you're so into governing by fiat claiming that this is what the people want. Either that or you're a pathological liar.

This news is kind of old from a politics standpoint but I have thought about it a. It since the election.

I'm not sure I wouldn't support illegal immigrants getting a driver's license as long as it could be used for driving only. We have a lot of illegals driving in TX and the uninsured risk is real. I would like it to say "Not A Citizen" in huge red letters across the top and make it illegal to be used for using or obtaining any citizen rights.

Areas outside of the Williamette valley in Oregon are very conservative.

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I would like it to say "Not A Citizen" in huge red letters across the top and make it illegal to be used for using or obtaining any citizen rights.

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I could go for this as long as an illegal knows the English language. I'd think reading road signs is imperative when driving.

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could go for this as long as an illegal knows the English language. I'd think reading road signs is imperative when driving.

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Well, I think they should have to pass the drivers test so that would likely be part of it.

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Areas outside of the Williamette valley in Oregon are very conservative.

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true. East of the Cascades is definitely more conservative but 90% of the population lives on the western side.

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East of the Cascades is definitely more conservative but 90% of the population lives on the western side.

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Right. So even in with MOST POPULATED part of the state being liberal, it didn't pass. If 90% lives in the liberal parts of the state, how did this not pass?

This wasn't an electoral style vote. It was a popular vote.

Surely a ton of liberals saw the stupidity of passing this law.

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Right. So even in with MOST POPULATED part of the state being liberal, it didn't pass. If 90% lives in the liberal parts of the state, how did this not pass?

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My theory:
1. 90% of the people live in a liberal part of the state, but far fewer than 90% of the state is liberal- especially on immigration.

2. Growing Hispanic population in the Willamette Valley along the liberal I-5 corridor, which is basically a bastion of "caucasasianaity"(I made up that word) and liberalism has raised awareness on the issues of illegal immigration....thus tying liberals there to reality.

3. Most conservatives and a significant number of liberals don't support it. This would never be popular in Bend or the conservative eastern part of the state even though they are least impacted.

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Surely a ton of liberals saw the stupidity of passing this law.

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That's exactly what happened. A critical number of them very clearly saw the problem. As I've said, the I-5 corridor has seen a boom in the Latino population over the past 20 years and people there are actually cognizant of the problems illegal immigration can cause. Liberal or conservative, they have exposure to problems with illegal immigrants and are thus tied to the reality of it.