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re: Jurassic World Trailer Has Dropped

Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:59 pm to
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Of course they are.



Not really no.

"Bad" implies some sort of moral choice. The raptors are not hunting people in the first 3 JP flicks just to be dicks. That are doing it b/c its their instinct to hunt/protect the pack and b/c the only thing they know about humans is getting hit with cattle prods and their eggs getting stolen.

The real bad guys in JP1 are Nedry and Hammond, in JP 2 the hunters trying capture dinos, and in JP3 the its kind of the idiot who steals the egg and the parents that trick Grant into accompanying them.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:00 pm to
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Birds are super smart.
They can predict the weather better than we do. And they are very trainable.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:02 pm to
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"Bad" implies some sort of moral choice. The raptors are not hunting people just to be dicks. That are doing it b/c its their instinct to hunt/protect the pack and b/c the only thing they know about humans is getting hit with cattle prods.

When referring to "bad guys" in movies, you are referring to the antagonist. The raptors were a main antagonist in JP.

For 1:45 of the movie, we were wanting the "good guys" to survive/win. The main obstacle were the raptors. They were definitely an antagonist.

You're not really this stupid, are you?
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:03 pm to
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They can predict the weather better than we do. And they are very trainable.

That is great, and has nothing to do with the point I am making.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:05 pm to
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That is great, and has nothing to do with the point I am making.
Didn't you say it's not believable that they train the Raptors?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:06 pm to


Nope sorry you are incorrect sir. Bad guys does not automatically = antagonist in a movie.

Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:06 pm to
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Didn't you say it's not believable that they train the Raptors?

never once
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:08 pm to
It's obviously blocking off the old park but rumors is there are untrained raptors beyond the wall.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:08 pm to
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never once
Oh, OK then. You said it was a bad idea. God forbid they do something plausible and new.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:10 pm to
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Nope sorry you are incorrect sir. Bad guys does not automatically = antagonist in a movie.

When referring to "the" bad guy, one is almost always referring to the antagonist.

I most definitely was.

In the context of our conversation, it blows my mind that you didn't know this.

Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:11 pm to
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For 1:45 of the movie, we were wanting the "good guys" to survive/win. The main obstacle were the raptors. They were definitely an antagonist.

They were hunting like all carnivores do and like any intelligent animal they can be trained. And they probably will attack a few tourists when the D-Rex attacks the park
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:12 pm to
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God forbid they do something plausible and new.

New??

So, nobody has ever taken the bad guys from movie one, and had them join up with the good guys in a sequel?

My biggest issue is that it is not new at all.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:13 pm to
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New??

So, nobody has ever taken the bad guys from movie one, and had them join up with the good guys in a sequel?

My biggest issue is that it is not new at all.
New to the series. You tell me some movies you like and I'll tell you how original they are.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:15 pm to
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My biggest issue is that it is not new at all.


Then your issue might be the most overblown issue I've heard in a while
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:17 pm to
It's science fiction, why are people complaining this isn't plausible
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:19 pm to
The problem is that these are animals not an antagonist making a decision to work with the protagonist in a sequel. You are ridiculous.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:19 pm to
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New to the series.

How did they get away from the raptors in JP?
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You tell me some movies you like and I'll tell you how original they are.

X-men 2
Revenge of the Nerds 2
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:20 pm to
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It's science fiction, why are people complaining this isn't plausible

Nobody is doing this
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:21 pm to
I know what you said and I just flat out disagree with you that the raptors were the bad guys just b/c they were hunting fools down. Sorry man. They were shite that needed to be avoided but they weren't bad guys. They're just animals doing what they do.

Also, it would be wrong to say the raptors (bad guys) would be teaming up with the humans (good guys) to fight an enemy. They wouldn't teaming up. The damn things would be trained just like how you train a dog, falcon or whatever to hunt. Do you say people are teaming up with their dogs to hunt ducks or is the dog simply an animal doing what its been trained to do?

Hell, do you think the T-Rex teamed up with the humans to save them in JP1 or was it just munching on a raptor snack? Were the bugs in King Kong "the bad guys" too since they ate up a shitload of sailors or were they just big arse bugs happy to eat the meat that fell into their lair?
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 5:25 pm
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