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Jeff Carlisle Article for ESPNFC: More Jurgen vs. MLS
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:42 am
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Now it appears there was more to Garber's ire than met the eye. Seattle Sounders minority owner Adrian Hanauer, Philadelphia Union CEO and Operating Partner Nick Sakiewicz and several other sources, have told ESPN FC that there is growing frustration within the league over the advice Klinsmann and U.S. soccer staff are giving to youth national team and MLS academy players.
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At issue, according to sources, is an approach whereby Klinsmann and his surrogates are advising those players to sign with European clubs and bypass MLS. To this end, the U.S. Soccer Federation has been organizing training stints and trials for various youth national team players, the better to showcase those players for overseas clubs.
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In a statement made to ESPN FC through a USSF spokesman, Klinsmann insisted that there is no one path for players and that his advice has reflected this. "You have to look at every situation individually and help the player to determine what is best for himself," he said. "There are a lot of parts to the picture, things like the player's ability, what his support structure is like, his past experiences, and his mentality and goals. Some kids would benefit from the environment in Europe, while others are best suited to continue their growth in MLS. There's no one right answer that applies to all players and each player's circumstances changes over time."
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Reached by telephone, Hanauer confirmed to ESPN FC that academy players -- both with the Sounders and other MLS clubs -- have been encouraged by Klinsmann or his surrogates to explore options overseas. "We are investing millions of dollars in youth development," said Hanauer. "It's hard enough to compete with foreign teams who are trying to poach players in the U.S. and Canada. I'm certainly not happy if our federation and its representatives are in any way pushing our players to sign with a foreign club and bypassing our professional environment. At some point, if [this continues], clearly I -- and I assume my MLS partners -- would need to reconsider our investment in youth development, which I don't think is ultimately good for U.S. soccer," he said.
It's a long article. I tried to pull the parts that best present both sides. Here's the link:
LINK
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:14 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
Our coach undermining youth development in our own country. Not good.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:33 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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. "You have to look at every situation individually and help the player to determine what is best for himself," he said. "There are a lot of parts to the picture, things like the player's ability, what his support structure is like, his past experiences, and his mentality and goals. Some kids would benefit from the environment in Europe, while others are best suited to continue their growth in MLS
Or the NASL...
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:42 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
Jurgen isn't undermining anything. If anything he's lighting a fire under asses, which never is a bad thing, IMO.
Oh no! It's hard!
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We are investing millions of dollars in youth development," said Hanauer. "It's hard enough to compete with foreign teams who are trying to poach players in the U.S. and Canada.
Oh no! It's hard!
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:57 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
I don't really think that I'd expect either side to act differently
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:37 am to cwil177
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Our coach undermining youth development in our own country. Not good.
link?
Klinsmann has a job. It's not to be sure that the Sounders academy produces players for the Sounders.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:32 pm to joey barton
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I don't really think that I'd expect either side to act differently
Agreed. Each side has separate interests at stake which coincide in various ways. Klinsmann will be judged on the performance of the national team, so he wants his players to play at what he thinks are the highest levels. The owners and the league want to make money and protect their brand, so they want their young prospects to stay and their players to get caps.
Klinsmann has to work with MLS because it's the nation's best professional league and many of the national team's players will be sourced from there. However, Klinsmann is not beholden to MLS in any other way and, whether right or wrong, clearly feels no obligation to promote the league or protect its reputation. I think he sees it merely as one of many sources for the national team's players.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:43 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
Each side definitely has a point. However, the CEO's are so double sided. You can't say you main goal is to produce talent so that soccer as a WHOLE in the US grows, but when your investment isn't returning you give it up.
I understand it's a business but the MLS are a bunch of women. Man up and create an environment that's conducive to developing talent
I understand it's a business but the MLS are a bunch of women. Man up and create an environment that's conducive to developing talent
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:52 pm to tsmi136
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You can't say you main goal is to produce talent so that soccer as a WHOLE in the US grows, but when your investment isn't returning you give it up.
I don't know what this means.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:55 pm to joey barton
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I don't really think that I'd expect either side to act differently
Yeah this same basic problem exists in most major footballing countries. The interest of the national team and the interest of the national league rarely coincide and often are posed against one another.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:58 pm to Sheep
If the MLS/club academies was truly committed to growing and developing soccer in the US, they wouldn't be bitching about how people are steering prospects to better academies. They would figure out a way to improve the academies, not say "well I'm going to have to reassess my investments"
Seems to me they don't actually care about developing young talent
eta: I'm not saying anyone is right, just an observation I made
Seems to me they don't actually care about developing young talent
eta: I'm not saying anyone is right, just an observation I made
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:16 pm to tsmi136
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If the MLS/club academies was truly committed to growing and developing soccer in the US, they wouldn't be bitching about how people are steering prospects to better academies. They would figure out a way to improve the academies, not say "well I'm going to have to reassess my investments"
Seems to me they don't actually care about developing young talent
Except most MLS academies are < 5 years old. Hard to develop them if prospects are being steered away, ESPECIALLY if it's the national team coach doing the steering. The Jurgen sycophants/Pied Piper followers all say "well - his results are at best the same as his predecessors, but he just needs more time" but don't see the fallacy in ushering prospects away from MLS academies that are in their infancy.
You'd think that a national team coach, especially one in a still-developing soccer nation would be invested in (deeply) growing the league of that country as well.
Of course, Jurgen's only interested in raising HIS profile. If he keeps this bashing MLS, he's going to find that Don Garber swings a much bigger shaft in US Soccer circles than he realizes. MUCH bigger.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:33 pm to Sheep
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Of course, Jurgen's only interested in raising HIS profile.
This. He's doesn't care about winning, he cares about personally getting credit for the US winning.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:39 pm to inelishaitrust
Do you guys not enjoy winning?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:41 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
So... He doesn't want US players to play in MLS b/c he doesn't think its good enough while actively trying to keep the league from improving by attempting to influence all the best young talent to go overseas.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:41 pm to tsmi136
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Do you guys not enjoy winning?
Of course.
We had a great stretch (that 12 match unbeaten streak), but it is not like our performances are that different that what we should be producing. There are also been bad losses as well. Overall, our W-L record is about on par with what I expected.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:44 pm to Dr RC
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Jurgen is just trying to raise his profile. But that said, actively encouraging young prospects in MLS academies to jump ship and run to a European academy is a bit much. Obviously development in better academies is good for the more immediate success of our national team, but in the long run I think it would be best to encourage and help foster the burgeoning MLS academy system.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:47 pm to tsmi136
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Do you guys not enjoy winning?
Sure, but one could reasonably argue that pushing players away from US academies only sets US soccer back long term for the benefit of Jurgen's short term "gains".
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:53 pm to cwil177
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Jurgen is just trying to raise his profile. But that said, actively encouraging young prospects in MLS academies to jump ship and run to a European academy is a bit much.
I'd very much be curious to know if he (and his staff) are pushing them to "Europe" or to specific clubs. If it's specific clubs, it would be interesting to see how Jurgen is connected to those clubs.
Interesting stuff either way it goes.
As I've said before, the book about Jurgen's tenure with US Soccer will be one hell of an interesting read.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:13 pm to Dr RC
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Sure, but one could reasonably argue that pushing players away from US academies only sets US soccer back long term for the benefit of Jurgen's short term "gains".
It's possible that steering them to foreign clubs hurts US soccer long term, but it's better for those individuals if they get into better academies. Personally, I'd rather let MLS lag behind while our best young players can grow and develop to full potential. Absolutely, I want MLS to improve, but I'd much rather have a stronger national team in 8 years than a marginally improved MLS.
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