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Do you think there are different playbooks for Harris and Jennings?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:27 pm
Is it possible that we will move back to what last year's offense looked like if Harris can improve and take the starting spot? Conversely, are we using the same old offense this year since it's easier for Jennings to manage the game with? Are the coaches just biding their time until Harris is ready, or is Harris just not grasping the playbook and it's forcing the coach's hands to go with the more experienced QB in Jennings? Could it be a combination of neither QB understanding the offense, and if so, should the coaches dumb it down further for better results in the passing game?
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:28 pm to joeytiger
idk, joey
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:28 pm to joeytiger
According to the rant it's not that there are different play books it's that Jennings knows the entire thing and Harris knows 4 plays...I don't buy that tho
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:34 pm to tigerbait1.6
I don't think Jennings has it all figured out yet, but he must clearly know more than Harris at this point. I think Jennings' lack of arm strength is why we see so much running again this year. He seemed to thrive in the second quarter when the protection broke down, but his passes were nowhere near what's needed for a competent passing game. Guess time will tell.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:36 pm to joeytiger
IMHO there is no doubt that Harris has the tools to become extremely superior over Jennings if he puts it all together.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:42 pm to tigerbait1.6
There aren't multiple playbooks. Typically offensive playbooks aren't that big anyway. There are many variations of a single play that are signaled by the sideline and checks with the QB which both AJ and BH do. This playbook is significantly condensed to allow for easier reads and simpler plays. They would do it even if BH was in the game. We saw that at AU.
The coaches are biding their time till they can develop either QB. It's clear that neither can run the offense to Cam's '13 offense YET. Eventually they will. CC is asking a true freshman and a 1 year starter to run a NFL playbook. It takes time and development. I wouldn't be surprised if AJ got very little teaching last year behind Mett, Rivers, and Retig. I know he came in at the end, but that's a lot of QB teaching to do.
Give it time. I've seen what Les and LSU can do with a competent QB. It's the reason he brought Kragthorpe to LSU and CCC. It's only a matter of time. I'm not a big believer in Jennings, but if you can't see that he's improved it would shock me. Numbers lie. All the time. The coaches don't want AJ out there throwing 40 times. Why would you when you can run so effectively? This team is on the cusp of being special. There's a big difference between the team that started this year and the one we have now. Just looking for constant improvement and we'll get where we need to be.
The coaches are biding their time till they can develop either QB. It's clear that neither can run the offense to Cam's '13 offense YET. Eventually they will. CC is asking a true freshman and a 1 year starter to run a NFL playbook. It takes time and development. I wouldn't be surprised if AJ got very little teaching last year behind Mett, Rivers, and Retig. I know he came in at the end, but that's a lot of QB teaching to do.
Give it time. I've seen what Les and LSU can do with a competent QB. It's the reason he brought Kragthorpe to LSU and CCC. It's only a matter of time. I'm not a big believer in Jennings, but if you can't see that he's improved it would shock me. Numbers lie. All the time. The coaches don't want AJ out there throwing 40 times. Why would you when you can run so effectively? This team is on the cusp of being special. There's a big difference between the team that started this year and the one we have now. Just looking for constant improvement and we'll get where we need to be.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:44 pm to USARMYDasher
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This team is on the cusp of being special. There's a big difference between the team that started this year and the one we have now.
I agree 110%
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:45 pm to USARMYDasher
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There's a big difference between the team that started this year and the one we have now.
Agreed, and Jennings may have improved, but not much IMO. I just think QB is much harder to develop than anything else, which is why we have the situation we have this year. I would love to have a great QB, just once to see what Les and Co. could do.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:51 pm to joeytiger
quote:You don't think? A position on the field that has to read a defense, make checks at the line, go through progressions, avoid the rush...oh and try to get the ball out in under 3 seconds...playing QB is freaking hard and some of the ranters think all you need is a tailored playbook and a strong arm. Ryan Leaf had both and the struggles playing the position turned him into a pill head.
I just think QB is much harder to develop than anything else, which is why we have the situation we have this year.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:52 pm to joeytiger
We saw it last year with Mett. 3000 yard passer, two 1000 yard receivers, and still maintained a solid run game. The defense let LSU down last year, but how could they not? So youthful. Even this year. But the great thing about this year is that it's an eye opening experience for all the young players. LSU was never going to compete for a NC this year. Development, passion, and fight is what is being taught. You can see that from the AU game to the Bama game. This team has grown. And thankfully most of them return. Next year will not be a rebuilding year. Making a bowl game was a big step because it gives the coaches a whole extra month to coach and teach. This off season will make or break this LSU team.
Look for certain players to return who you wouldn't normally expect to return. The players have realized it takes hard effort and work to leave after three years. Look at Anthony Johnson. Undrafted. These players are giving it everything they have, and while a few are NFL ready, it's not where they want to be. Expect some key players to return. Expect this team to be great.
Look for certain players to return who you wouldn't normally expect to return. The players have realized it takes hard effort and work to leave after three years. Look at Anthony Johnson. Undrafted. These players are giving it everything they have, and while a few are NFL ready, it's not where they want to be. Expect some key players to return. Expect this team to be great.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:53 pm to joeytiger
No
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:12 pm to jamal adams beast
At this point, they're not playbooks. They're not even play pamphlets.
They're like playtweets almost.
They're like playtweets almost.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:15 pm to joeytiger
The playbooks are the same
BH knows the playbook
The coaches do not want to use the plays that either of them could thrive in. Why? who the hell knows.
Spreading the field and allowing either qb to use their legs would be a huge improvement. I am giving up on the pass just try doing that for a change.
BH knows the playbook
The coaches do not want to use the plays that either of them could thrive in. Why? who the hell knows.
Spreading the field and allowing either qb to use their legs would be a huge improvement. I am giving up on the pass just try doing that for a change.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:23 pm to joeytiger
Yes: one has 'Harris' written on the cover, the other one 'Jennings'
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:30 pm to joeytiger
There are clearly different schemes. They tend to move faster when Harris is I'm there, and do more check with me.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:37 pm to Topwater Trout
Dasher, the coaches simply do not have much faith in either QB. All of us have seen the reasons why in the games, they see it everyday.
How many long passes or intermediate passes have we as fans seen over the middle between the hash marks? Compare this to Mett last year.
One of the reasons T Dural's numbers have dropped beside getting in SEC play is that the DCs have figured this out. LSU doesn't even use much play action from under center, because if the QBs cannot see the field while looking down field, they don't want them turning their backs and then throwing to a spot. I'm afraid it is what it is.
How many long passes or intermediate passes have we as fans seen over the middle between the hash marks? Compare this to Mett last year.
One of the reasons T Dural's numbers have dropped beside getting in SEC play is that the DCs have figured this out. LSU doesn't even use much play action from under center, because if the QBs cannot see the field while looking down field, they don't want them turning their backs and then throwing to a spot. I'm afraid it is what it is.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:40 pm to joeytiger
I wouldn't say different playbooks but it is a package they use just when BH comes in. He wasn't very comfortable being under center this year.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:54 pm to 41bengal
Just because they run a faster tempo doesn't mean it's a different playbook. Just because they do more checks on the line doesn't mean it's a different playbooks. If there were two separate playbooks, then all the offensive players would have to learn them as well. That seems quite unreasonable. Do they gameplan differently with different QBs? Sure. Each has their own identity.
The coaches don't trust either QB to make low percentage high reward throws in the middle. The middle of the field is the hardest to throw to especially in zone because it requires the QB to dissect the coverage and identify the zone. Mett could do this. AJ and BH cannot. Yet. It takes time studying coverages in the film room. The coaches trust AJ to run curls, drags, out routes, and go routes. Why? Because typically it is covered in man and you can see the defender moving to the receiver to cover. It's not as hard as posts, sticks, ins, and slants that require the QB to identify the defender before the snap.
The coaches don't trust either QB to make low percentage high reward throws in the middle. The middle of the field is the hardest to throw to especially in zone because it requires the QB to dissect the coverage and identify the zone. Mett could do this. AJ and BH cannot. Yet. It takes time studying coverages in the film room. The coaches trust AJ to run curls, drags, out routes, and go routes. Why? Because typically it is covered in man and you can see the defender moving to the receiver to cover. It's not as hard as posts, sticks, ins, and slants that require the QB to identify the defender before the snap.
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