US and China set new goals to cut greenhouse gases

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Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who chairs the Senate's environmental panel

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for about another month and a half

frick these morons.

Is a "bilateral agreement" like this considered legal if the Senate doesn't ratify it?

They may not be calling it a treaty but it is a treaty.

The simplest solution to this is to amend the Clean Air Act to specifically exclude C02 as a pollutant. That immediately invalidates any and all rules and regs related to restricting it by the EPA because it would have no statutory basis for applying or enforcing them.

As China Brings on line a new Coal fired plant every week ensuring the cost of their entergy will be alot better for businesss than America. Man Americans are so foolish.

Cuts for us, more for them.

Now there's an agreement.

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Man Americans Fed Govt are so foolish.

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fify

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Memo to Barry: "YOU REALLY SUCK AT THIS NEGOTIATING THING!"

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He's doing exactly what his goal is: weaken our country.

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Same for them. This is just window dressing for both countries.

ETA: Best data I could find had us at about 6M kt of CO2 in 2005 and bout 5.4 in 2012. So in 7 years we reduced emissions by 10%

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I'm just taking a shot in the dark, but most of that is from a down economy and replacing coal with natural gas. I imagine the next 18% will be difficult, especially if aging nuclear plants start to close.

As far as China, if their peak coal use requires this:

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That means building even more nuclear power plants, wind farms, hydro-electric dams and even start employing more solar power, of which the country installed 12 gigawatts-worth in 2013. In fact, in 2013, more new clean energy sources were added to the grid in China than fossil fuel-fired power—for the first time ever. China has added several hundred gigawatts-worth of such clean energy—the Three Gorges Dam alone pumps out 22 GW— but hopes to add as much as 1,000 gigawatts of these low-carbon emitting sources by 2030. That would constitute 20 percent of its energy—and roughly the total amount of all electricity produced in the U.S. or all the coal-fired power plants China has built in the last few decades. It's also double what the Chinese have commited to achieve by 2015 in their current Five-Year Plan.

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Then that's pretty bold. 1,000 GW is a lot of power (more than 600 nuclear plants). Maybe this, and their peak coal use is unrelated.