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Will all those gun sales after Sandy Hook, crime rates should rise, right?

Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:26 am
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:26 am
You would think if guns cause crime that record gun sales would cause record crime...


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The FBI released Crime in the United States, 2013 today, which shows that the estimated number of violent crimes in 2013 decreased 4.4 percent when compared with 2012 figures, and the estimated number of property crimes decreased 4.1 percent. There were an estimated 1,163,146 violent crimes reported to law enforcement last year, along with an estimated 8,632,512 property crimes.

The crime statistics report, issued by the Bureau’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, contains voluntarily submitted data from 18,415 city, county, state, tribal, campus, and federal law enforcement agencies on specific crimes brought to their attention. They include the violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault, and the property crimes of burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson.






This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:29 am
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54202 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:29 am to
Buy the gun control fanatics will say "but think how much lower it would be with gun control legislation".
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51794 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:31 am to
This a tired argument that FACTS curb stomp every time it comes up.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45793 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:32 am to
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:34 am to
Well, wouldn't we all be better off if the money spent on GUNS were spent on bouquets of flowers instead and handed out to the people that are disadvantaged and disenfranchised?

Flowers for Friendship...Potpourri for Peace


much better than Hunker with Handguns!!!



Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45793 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:35 am to
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Flowers for Friendship...Potpourri for Peace


Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8393 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:40 am to
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FBI


not a credible source















it's coming.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:19 am to
If the government started a program to give every employed tax paying citizen a gun for their home, those stats would drop another 50%.

Up to date on taxes
working
no felonies

Mandatory IN DEPTH gun safety training

PROFIT...way less crimes and way less need for high police budgets.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:45 am to
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GeeOH


Our citizens truly need to read “Tracts, concerning the ancient and only true legal means of national defence, by a free militia” by Granville Sharp. Gives a very good picture of what the obligations were of the citizenry in regards to policing and the military. Everyone was required (required) to own a gun and assist society. Now we have given that responsibility over to "professionalized" forces and the results are predictable.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29407 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:44 am to
Was watching Good Morning America this morning (wife likes it, I think they're liberal twits) and they had a story on how to protect your home from invaders. Some chick was saying to put a huge dog bowl and leash by the door, and get this, have something by the door inside that can be used as a weapon, like a huge candlestick holder.

God forbid that anyone have a scary gun to protect themselves!
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 9:45 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:46 am to
Why do you want to murder children, wick?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:47 am to
now compare that to Chicagos crime rate
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:55 am to
Gun homicides have been going down since the Brady Bill was passed. Go figure.

Guns aren't the primary issue. Keeping them in the hands of responsible gun owners' hands is.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 9:57 am
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Guns aren't the primary issue. Keeping them in the hands of responsible gun owners' hands is.


do you think more gun restrictions is the answer?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:58 am to
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Gun homicides have been going down since the Brady Bill was passed. Go figure.

while teh timing may have a correlation, Congress commissioned a study that showed the brady bill had no effects

pretty much all crime started falling in the mid-90s, after a dramatic rise starting in the mid-80s (but it had been increasing since the 70s). there are multiple theories for this all (and the popular "abortion" theory has been pretty much debunked, SO DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT)
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32089 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:59 am to
I think Obama's presidency has been incredible for gun and ammo sales.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:00 am to
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do you think more gun restrictions is the answer?
Necessary gun regulations are probably already in place, except for needed ones regarding mental illness. Increased gun registrations would go a long way from this point.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Gun homicides have been going down since the Brady Bill was passed. Go figure.

Guns aren't the primary issue. Keeping them in the hands of responsible gun owners' hands is.

I can meet you in the middle on this. How do you propose doing it?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:01 am to
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Increased gun registrations would go a long way from this point.

How? Legal guns are not the issue.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45793 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:02 am to
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except for needed ones regarding mental illness.


Please explain your plan...
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