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Couple fined for refusing to host same-sex wedding on their farm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:28 am
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But the government of the state of New York sees things differently. The Giffords, who own the bucolic Liberty Ridge Farm in upstate New York, were ordered to pay a total of $13,000 — a $10,000 fine to the state and another $1,500 to each member of a lesbian couple to compensate them for “mental anguish.’’ All because the Giffords, devout Christians, refused to hold a same-sex wedding ceremony on the property on which they live, work and have raised a daughter, 17, and a son, 21.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:31 am to wickowick
Somewhat OT, but weddings outside of a church (or courthouse if the person can't manage a church wedding. And yes, I'm using "church" to refer to religious buildings of all faiths) make absolutely no sense to me.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:33 am to wickowick
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In summer, wedding ceremonies and receptions also are held on the farm.
I found their problem.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:36 am to wickowick
Their "mental anguish"?
frick them.
frick them.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:38 am to Vols&Shaft83
I am so sick of this shite.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:40 am to wickowick
I'm sorry, but I think those women are the only hateful people mentioned in the article. The owners of the farm did not refuse their business for a wedding reception; they refused them holding the wedding ceremony. Yankee Stadium engages in public accommodation. Do the owners of Yankee Stadium have the right to decline wedding ceremonies since they allow other public events?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:41 am to Janky
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am so sick of this shite.
LSU fans should be given $1,500 each for their mental anguish from Saturday night.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:43 am to wickowick
Next time, the family can conveniently leave a large amount of manure on the property during the ceremony and do other things which are legitimate farm functions that will impact the enjoyment of the unwanted guests.
I normally wouldn't recommend that, but getting a huge state judgment against them for refusing to host an event is horseshite.
I normally wouldn't recommend that, but getting a huge state judgment against them for refusing to host an event is horseshite.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:43 am to wickowick
This shite is getting out of hand. Does "private property" even exist anymore in liberal states? 
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:45 am to teke184
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Next time, the family can conveniently leave a large amount of manure on the property
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is horseshite.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:45 am to Vols&Shaft83
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LSU fans should be given $1,500 each for their mental anguish from Saturday night.
And an extra 1500 for the Saints game too.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:55 am to TN Bhoy
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Somewhat OT, but weddings outside of a church (or courthouse if the person can't manage a church wedding. And yes, I'm using "church" to refer to religious buildings of all faiths) make absolutely no sense to me.
If I want to get married on a beach, a mountain, or a ranch, then why is that a big deal? I don't think God or Jesus really give a flying frick where you get married, they just care about the holiness of the union.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:58 am to TN Bhoy
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Somewhat OT, but weddings outside of a church (or courthouse if the person can't manage a church wedding. And yes, I'm using "church" to refer to religious buildings of all faiths) make absolutely no sense to me.
Why? Does God live in a building? Do vows made at a farmhouse not count?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:59 am to wickowick
How is the situation in the OP even possible? What has this country come to?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:00 am to TN Bhoy
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Somewhat OT, but weddings outside of a church (or courthouse if the person can't manage a church wedding. And yes, I'm using "church" to refer to religious buildings of all faiths) make absolutely no sense to me.
Sermon on the Mount is disqualified. Didn't take place in a church.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
quote:I don't think anyone is debating that, but forcing people to do it on their "private property" and then fining them for refusing is crossing the line.
If I want to get married on a beach, a mountain, or a ranch, then why is that a big deal? I don't think God or Jesus really give a flying frick where you get married, they just care about the holiness of the union.
So, if I want to have a huge Satanic wedding and celebration on these people's property, is the state of NY gonna force the property owners to do it? This is fricking insane, but nothing libs do anymore shocks me.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:02 am to OMLandshark
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If I want to get married on a beach, a mountain, or a ranch, then why is that a big deal? I don't think God or Jesus really give a flying frick where you get married, they just care about the holiness of the union
Depends on how it is done. A marriage is two people dedicating their life to each other AND the community' s recognition of that union (and God's recognition if you are religious).
A beach (aka destination) wedding makes it all about the couple and leaves out the community part.
Unless you live in CA and you also invite your friends and family to the beach.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:03 am to wickowick
Has the NY state supreme court taken up a issue like this before?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:13 am to wickowick
Might need more details, but this bugs me less than a baker or florist being compelled to create something for a gay wedding.
This is letting people use your facilities while the others force someone to create something against their will.
Maybe I am splitting hairs, but it seems different.
This is letting people use your facilities while the others force someone to create something against their will.
Maybe I am splitting hairs, but it seems different.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:14 am to wickowick
quote:How the frick can anyone find this legal and moral to force people to provide service? WTF?
In Oregon, Christian bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake to two lesbians face hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.
In Washington state, an elderly Christian florist could face hefty fines after she refused to provide wedding flowers to two gay men.
A Christian Colorado baker is appealing a judge’s decision ordering him to start baking wedding cakes for homosexuals and to provide his staff with sensitivity training, after he refused to create a wedding cake for two gay guys.?
The US Supreme Court this year declined to hear the case of a Christian photographer from New Mexico who claimed that refusing to shoot the commitment ceremony of two lesbians was an expression not only of her constitutional right to religious freedom, it was protected by her First Amendment right to free speech. New Mexico’s Supreme Court and the state’s Human Rights Commission have decreed that her refusal to shoot equaled unlawful discrimination.
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