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Chavis and Peveto Own The final 50
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:08 pm
This was a heart-breaker any way you want to look at it - snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Rehashing the all elements that led to the final 50 seconds aren't relevant to how the final 50 seconds were coached. Yes, the buck stops with the head coach but for those of us living in this universe, it's practical to understand that the primary responsibility for ST and DEF lies with the heads of those units. As great as the Cheif is, he is accountable for the D and Peveto needs to take some blame, as well.
1. ST: Kick-off strategy should have been crystallized for the players on the field; beginning with the kicker, who should have been made to internalize the imperative not to take the KOOB penalty. If there was even an inkling of doubt about a squib (KOOB, up man fielding for superior field position), kicking for a touch back would have been a far better option.
On a side note, the full return with 3 seconds exposed LF to a crushing blow that further roused the red team, while adding an additional layer of shell-shock to the Tigers - discretion might have dictated letting that one be a touch back, if at all possible.
2. DEF: I think I saw 3 down lineman rushing with an umbrella-type zone for virtually every down in the 50 second sequence. Even if there were 4 down rushing and a combo man/zone thrown into that sequence once, it still looked an awful lot like the proverbial prevent defense. This puts an aggressive unit back on its heals after be fully in command for an entire half and also creates creases and buffer zones allowing receivers to stop the clock with the boundaries.
To protect the victory, a kick off resulting in a touch back and a defensive scheme that empowered players on the front to be more aggressive could have resulted in a longer field for the red team and, if it came to it, a longer field goal attempt for their less-than-stellar kicker.
Rehashing the all elements that led to the final 50 seconds aren't relevant to how the final 50 seconds were coached. Yes, the buck stops with the head coach but for those of us living in this universe, it's practical to understand that the primary responsibility for ST and DEF lies with the heads of those units. As great as the Cheif is, he is accountable for the D and Peveto needs to take some blame, as well.
1. ST: Kick-off strategy should have been crystallized for the players on the field; beginning with the kicker, who should have been made to internalize the imperative not to take the KOOB penalty. If there was even an inkling of doubt about a squib (KOOB, up man fielding for superior field position), kicking for a touch back would have been a far better option.
On a side note, the full return with 3 seconds exposed LF to a crushing blow that further roused the red team, while adding an additional layer of shell-shock to the Tigers - discretion might have dictated letting that one be a touch back, if at all possible.
2. DEF: I think I saw 3 down lineman rushing with an umbrella-type zone for virtually every down in the 50 second sequence. Even if there were 4 down rushing and a combo man/zone thrown into that sequence once, it still looked an awful lot like the proverbial prevent defense. This puts an aggressive unit back on its heals after be fully in command for an entire half and also creates creases and buffer zones allowing receivers to stop the clock with the boundaries.
To protect the victory, a kick off resulting in a touch back and a defensive scheme that empowered players on the front to be more aggressive could have resulted in a longer field for the red team and, if it came to it, a longer field goal attempt for their less-than-stellar kicker.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:09 pm to Knight of Old
Buck stops at the top. Miles owns it.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:19 pm to TeamBunt
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Buck stops at the top. Miles owns it.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:20 pm to Knight of Old
They are Miles's hires so it starts at the top.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:23 pm to Knight of Old
Fans really need to leave Chavis' name out of this one. He called a great game and played the same D at the end that he played against Ole Miss. Wasn't a prevent, it was his Mustang D and he blitzed several times, only thing that was different was no Rashard Robinson.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:25 pm to Knight of Old
This game wasn't lost in the last 50 seconds. This game WAS NOT WON in the previous 3510 seconds.
This game was on Cameron and Miles, period. We lost because we can't pass.
This game was on Cameron and Miles, period. We lost because we can't pass.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:25 pm to Knight of Old
I just have a hard time putting anything on Chavis.
Held a top 5 team to 13...with no support from the offense. I don't like prevent either...but there is a reason why teams do it. It held them to a field goal. What if they won in regulation? What if the refs called "the catch" a drop like they should've?
Held a top 5 team to 13...with no support from the offense. I don't like prevent either...but there is a reason why teams do it. It held them to a field goal. What if they won in regulation? What if the refs called "the catch" a drop like they should've?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:27 pm to Knight of Old
If want to debate that they should have mixed in some blitzes ok I can buy that but nothing else. The kickoff was 100% on Domingue. On defense, on numerous occasions on the last drive they were in position to make a tackle in bounds but overran plays.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:30 pm to Knight of Old
No u didn't they sent 5 almost every play
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:31 pm to zack7552
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with no support from the offense
The offense did have possession for 38 minutes - a whole quarter better than Bama. However, I agree. You hold the ball for 38 minutes and only score 13 points. Wow!
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:33 pm to Folsom
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The offense did have possession for 38 minutes
good point. Yes, the offense did sustain some drives...just didn't finish them. TOP was in our favor.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:58 pm to DBeaux225
quote:Such crystalline logic: so are you saying they're lousy hires?
They are Miles's hires so it starts at the top.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:04 pm to zack7552
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the offense did sustain some drives...just didn't finish them
This. Driving for 40-50 yards and then punting doesn't win games in this era of football.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:06 pm to smash williams
quote:Sorry - is this some sort of PC zone? If you dared to read, I acknowledge the Cheif's greatness as well as the dominance of the D - especially in the second half.
Fans really need to leave Chavis' name out of this one.
One poster says it's Miles' fault because they're his hires; you say they're off limits for criticism because you saw some blitzes(?); another says that it's about everything that came before the final 50.
Hey, this loss was tough on us fans, but it doesn't mean we have to go full brain-dead modality - the final 50 was the game.
Like I said, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:07 pm to Knight of Old
Where is the Gamble guy that kicked it in the stands on kickoffs the first couple of games?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:08 pm to Knight of Old
obviously kicking the ball out of bounds wasn't the plan. supposedly the plan was to kick the ball out of the end zone. my question is my wouldn't the 1st choice be a pop-up kick there considering bama would likely be starting around the same place on the field as a touchback, but with 5-6 less seconds unless they called a fair catch?
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:11 pm to Folsom
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The offense did have possession for 38 minutes
Miss leading statistic. LSU ran 84 plays to Alabama's 78 plays. Difference was passing vs running. Basically the same time on the field.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:15 pm to JYD
Les Miles said on his post game interview that Domingue was to kick the ball deep but he yanked the kickoff much like yanking a drive off the tee. I noticed that his approach to the ball was odd like a leg buckled for a moment.
Domingue can usually kick the ball deep into or through the end zone but last night he came up short a couple of times. He and Jamie Keehan did not have a good night for whatever reason.
But I don't think the outcome of the game tying drive would have changed without the kicking out of bounds penalty.
Domingue can usually kick the ball deep into or through the end zone but last night he came up short a couple of times. He and Jamie Keehan did not have a good night for whatever reason.
But I don't think the outcome of the game tying drive would have changed without the kicking out of bounds penalty.
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