re: Irving trade target?

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The talent and speed are obvious. He is not a conventional type of PG, but all I care about is how he fits next to Davis. He is already an elite scorer and they have some chemistry.

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Yes his scoring talent is obvious but his assisting skills/defense give me great pause. Holiday is an elite defender and more well rounded player.

Kyrie's style just isn't a fit with monty.

AD is a player where most can fit with him. I like how holiday's peremiter defense compliment's ADs.

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I really like Holiday. He is a mid level starter and solid. Irving is already much better and ascending.

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Much better scoring yes. He's an elite offensive talent but has ballhogging tendencies unlike holiday.

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The major difference is role an expectation. Holiday would just be expected to be a D and 3 type of player (a much better version of M. Chalmbers). While Irving would be expected to be a major scorer and closer here.

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His weakness on defense would be much more apparent here with how many great PGs are here in the west.

Holiday could be a near 20 point scorer but that's not needed.

Also remember that holiday s 5 mil cheaper.

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First thing you do is make him fit. You rebuild the backcourt around Irving. Dump Gordon and Evans, if you have to, and get guys that go best around Irving. Same thing we are trying to do in the frontcourt around Davis.

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You can't exactly do that overnight. Finding someone to dump EG on is a tall order already,plus tyreke to that(who albeit is more attractive)?

Anderson/Asik are great compliments and I'm happy with them. I'd love to get rid of EG and Find a compentent 3. We'd be in pretty good shape then.

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I don't know if Irving and James get along or not. I know he wasn't the reason James went there. James got tired of Miami and wanted to be loved and a hero again.

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I thought they got along well. Kyrie HAD to have some effect in him coming back. Him reconciling with Gilbert was another.

Miami was looking less and less attractive with Dwade aging and not much of a bench so it makes some sense.

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He wants the best team around him and Irving is a good player. But all James wants to do is make money and win championships. Irving has to go along or get out of the way. Maybe Irving would just rather another situation. I can't blame him if he did.

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That isn't what he's said though. He's also made 30 mil with beats so I doubt he cares about money.

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James is the best player in the world. But the whole thing about him making guys better is total crap.

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It isn't.

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He has ruined way more careers than he has helped. Guys like Larry Hughes, Wally Szczerbiak, Donyell Marsall, Shaq, David Wesley, Mo Williams, Eric Snow, Antwan Jamison, and a few more I can't remember all went into tail spins after joining up with him.

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Those guys were over the hill anyway and most were back when he was younger.

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He has even turned solid starters into nothing more than role players (Bosh, Miller, Allen..)

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Bosh did not turn into a role player. Miller/Allen were getting to the point where they were role players anyway.

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I mean, are we 100% sure this would happen? I might be changing my tune here...

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The Sixers get Waiters, Rivers and Memphis's 2015 1st round pick..

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It looks like the 2015 draft is loaded in front court players, so they might look to dump Embiid..

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Irving sucks?

Kyrie Irving?

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how the hell did this thread make it to 2 pages?

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I'll admit the trade options are pretty ridiculous. But if the Cavs start to shop Irving, I'd like to think we would make a move. We need a star (perennial all star) player next to Davis. It'd be even nicer to get two. But we have to get at least one and get one soon. I just don't see anyone on this team making that type of leap.

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But if the Cavs start to shop Irving, I'd like to think we would make a move.

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I highly doubt this'll happen and the chances of him coming here are even slimmer.

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We need a star (perennial all star) player next to Davis. It'd be even nicer to get two. But we have to get at least one and get one soon. I just don't see anyone on this team making that type of leap.

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No we don't right now.

He has 3 Borderline All Star caliber players next to him right now(4 if you REALLY push it and say EG).

This team can make a move in 2016 for a second star.

Correction: I Have an Impossible trade request so crazy it couldn't even be called a pipe dream.

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Whats ridiculous is that 4 games into their season, you hear a report that Lebron and Irving had a conversation and immediately start talking about the Cavs considering trade. Its one of the dumbest jumps ive ever seen.

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For some reason you keep jumping after me and telling me how dumb or stupid my comments are. I'm not sure why or what you would rather be reading. But I didn't make anything up. This was a major sports story today and last night. I heard multiple shows talk about it and read other blogs/forums where it was broken down. Cowherd had several guys on this morning and they discussed Irving being traded as well. Do I need to start linking articles, tweets and quotes? Pretty much all the other team's forums breakdown rosters and explore trades/moves that might make their teams better. Is it alright if I do that here? I don't want to waste your time or anger you in some way.

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Irving is not the player that we need to next AD. AD needs a PG who will feed him the ball.

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Fair enough. I respectfully disagree. We need the most talented player(s) next to Davis that we can get. If we somehow got Irving and Davis together, that would be an awesome duo and IMO it would be super successful. I know it's very unlikely (probably impossible). But I don't think their styles would clash or that it would hold back Davis somehow.

I just don't think they'll trade a guy who just signed a max contract over a few words he allegedly said to another player.

This probably happens all of the time but just because it involves these two it gets blown up.

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I just don't think they'll trade a guy who just signed a max contract over a few words he allegedly said to another player. This probably happens all of the time but just because it involves these two it gets blown up.

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A few years ago there was a PG a lot of people considered the best PG in the league. He was young and just signed a max extension. The team and the player seemed happy. Then one day the player and coach got into an argument. The details were murky, but the coach quit. About a week later, the team trades the PG, shocking everybody in the league. Nobody predicted it or saw it coming. So yeah, you are right. It probably won't happen. But sometimes crazy things just develop..

edit... eh I might have jumped the gun on this one. When I googled the D. Williams trade, he actually signed his extension after the trade. Utah didn't want to give him the max. Situation is still pretty similar though..