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Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:09 am to DeltaDoc
Personally, I think he loves himself so much that he cannot compromise or ever admit when he's wrong.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:09 am to 1DuckyBoy
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If the congress would grow a pair......IMPEACHED ....
That would be the worse outcome. It would require 2/3rds Senate vote and the no dem would even consider voting for impeachment. Then after Obama survived the process the republicans will be doomed in 2016.
The republicans just need to play chest for 2 years. Pass bills that you know Obama will veto and paint him into a corner then make Clinton or whomerver the dem nominee is defend Obama or seperate themselves then call him out on it.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:11 am to Jake88
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It might be better to avoid a takeover of the Senate in order for anti-democrat sentiment to continue to crescendo into 2016.
A definite Plan B to the equation.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:15 am to WeeWee
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It would require 2/3rds Senate vote and the no dem would even consider voting for impeachment.
There are also a handful of Senate Republicans that have said they would not vote in favor of impeachment. It's mostly the batshit crazy House Republicans that have pushed for it, and none have given a clear violation to impeach him on.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:20 am to 1DuckyBoy
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IMPEACHED .
Nope. Within a year's time Obama will just be an afterthought with all the politicking going on for president in 2016. It would probably take two years for impeachment proceeding to come to fruition anyway. Just let him keep driving the bus. More people are departing the ride as it is, just like a couple of his last campaign stops.
This is a good learning curve for the American people to see exactly what happens when an incompetent is put in the most important job on the face of the earth. Whether we learn from it or not remains to be seen.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:22 am to Vols&Shaft83
Historically, I believe things go best when the president and the congress are different parties. Historically, they have to compromise on pressing matters.
The combination of:
1. Weak GOP leadership (and lack of vision or message),
2. with an idealogue like Obama who uses the term "compromise" dishonestly (I want to compromise rather than use an EO to get it done)
Equates to:
No compromise and continued negativity. Obama does not have the ego or leadership skills to compromise and the GOP leadership does not have it either.
The combination of:
1. Weak GOP leadership (and lack of vision or message),
2. with an idealogue like Obama who uses the term "compromise" dishonestly (I want to compromise rather than use an EO to get it done)
Equates to:
No compromise and continued negativity. Obama does not have the ego or leadership skills to compromise and the GOP leadership does not have it either.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:22 am to Homesick Tiger
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This is a good learning curve for the American people to see exactly what happens when an incompetent is put in the most important job on the face of the earth. Whether we learn from it or not remains to be seen.
We didn't learn from it after 2000-2008, so what makes you think we will this time? We never will as long as voters are too tied to the R or D next to the name of the person running for office.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:24 am to The Spleen
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We didn't learn from it after 2000-2008, so what makes you think we will this time? We never will as long as voters are too tied to the R or D next to the name of the person running for office.
Good point.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:26 am to FT
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Will he "triangulate" like Bill Clinton and finish on a high note?
I think this is most likely. Obamacare won't be repealed, which he still sees as his biggest and signature accomplishment. He'll want to leave with his poll numbers high and with a legacy people are at least comfortable with. As with most presidents, if he leaves with decent approval numbers, in 10-12 years he'll be looked back on as a decent president.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:28 am to FAF
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The newly named GOP Senate majority leader will start calling the bills to vote that have been piling up on Reid's desk since 2010.
Repuklicans will work hard to give in to the Demorats and get stuff passed that will be bad for us. The one thing you can count on D.C. doing is making things worse.
Demorats will continue to smear and slander which is all they know how to do, Repuklicans will continue to play the doofy dunces, which is all they know how to do.
The more things change, the more they don't.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:32 am to The Spleen
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There are also a handful of Senate Republicans that have said they would not vote in favor of impeachment. It's mostly the batshit crazy House Republicans that have pushed for it, and none have given a clear violation to impeach him on.
Who are the republicans who are even suggesting such foolishness? If anything, I see more dems trying to bait the republicans into this much more than I've heard even the wackiest right winger even suggest such a thing.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:34 am to DeltaDoc
He's a true believer; compromise his Principles...no way! It would utterly destroy his legacy and any money/power ambition he holds for the future.
Obama has governed as a citizen of the World, not as a defender of US sovereignty of the which his Office/power is sworn to do. He'll move on to activism through UN mechanisms; if he were to compromise...that would be impossible.
There will be serious political fireworks up in DC the next couple of years...and in the coming Lame Duck. Will be interesting to see how it falls out.
Obama has governed as a citizen of the World, not as a defender of US sovereignty of the which his Office/power is sworn to do. He'll move on to activism through UN mechanisms; if he were to compromise...that would be impossible.
There will be serious political fireworks up in DC the next couple of years...and in the coming Lame Duck. Will be interesting to see how it falls out.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:36 am to The Spleen
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We didn't learn from it after 2000-2008, so what makes you think we will this time?
At least Bush had a resume for some form of political leadership, Obama had zilch. Bush might can even have more fingers pointed at him for being a lackluster president because he did have experience. He pretty much screwed the pooch according to many. Obama's incompetence came from political inexperience. No one with common sense can dispute that.
Inexperience of government in a presidential election is the worst option of any, imo.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:40 am to VOR
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Will he "triangulate" like Bill Clinton and finish on a high note?
Clinton didn't "finish on a high note", he actually apologized for his obvious guilt and perjury in the Lewinsky trail, just because his Demonrat lackeys in congress wouldn't throw him out doesn't make him innocent.
People who say "but the economy.." yes NASDAQ was good for the economy and Clinton had nothing to do with that(nor Algore) but if you want to live your life with your head up your rectum, feel free.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:42 am to Jagd Tiger
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NASDAQ
NAFTA?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:43 am to Jagd Tiger
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Clinton didn't "finish on a high note",
He absolutely did not. One of his last actions as President was signing the bill that repealed most of the Glass-Steagall Act which helped lead to the economic collapse.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:43 am to Homesick Tiger
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NASDAQ
NAFTA?
Thought it was a reference to the tech bubble.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:45 am to udtiger
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Please...point to any instance in the last 6 years when his conduct towards the GOP (or conservatives) would support a contrary view.
Capital Gains Tax:
Obama supports: Increase capital gains and dividends taxes from 15 to 20 percent for those making more than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000 (single)
Obama enacts: Tax on capital gains, dividends goes up to 20 percent for families earning $450,000 or more
Foreign Policy:
Obama selects Robert Gates as his Secretary Of Defense
Taxation:
Obama Supports: Ending Bush Tax Cuts
Obama Enacts: Extends Bush Tax Cuts against his wishes and contrary to campaign promises
"Fiscal Cliff":
Obama Supports: Raising taxes on families making $250,000 a year or more
Obama Enacts: Raising taxes on individuals making more than $400,000 a year, and on families making more than $450,000 a year
I can post more of these after work. Trying to find as many specific examples as possible at work is difficult.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:47 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Who are the republicans who are even suggesting such foolishness?
Point taken as I cannot think of one that has openly said he/she wishes to impeach him. A few have intimated about it, including Darrel Issa, Steve Stockman, and Tom Coburn. Most of the impeachment talk has come from the far-right blogosphere.
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