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re: Will the city of New Orleans be an inhabitable city in 100 years?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:12 pm to REG861
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:12 pm to REG861
Is this just a thread full of butt hurt and jealous BR turds hoping that their big brother city drowns in the gulf?
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 11:12 pm
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:13 pm to euquol
It won't happen. There is too much at stake.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:15 pm to glassman
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It won't happen. There is too much at stake
I guess Mother Nature will say "Oh no I cannot disrupt the lives of these humans who have been here about 300 years! Time to stop doing what I have been doing for millions!"
Ok then
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:16 pm to euquol
Pretty sure Mother Nature doesn't say that
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:19 pm to jimbeam
I am mostly responding to the people that think Mother Nature cannot overwhelm the Old River Control Structure because "it's too important."
Whoever thinks that should read up on the 1973 floods where opening both the Bonnet Carre and Morganza was almost not enough.
Whoever thinks that should read up on the 1973 floods where opening both the Bonnet Carre and Morganza was almost not enough.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:33 pm to euquol
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am mostly responding to the people that think Mother Nature cannot overwhelm the Old River Control Structure because "it's too important."
I get that. No way that happens. NOLA will always be the bread basket to the world. It would take 50 years for Morgan City to replace NOLA'S port facilities.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:22 am to euquol
But it wasn't overwhelmed. And then it attempted again in 2011 but again it wasn't overwhelmed.
I fault big land owners in the coastal region for making deals with O&G in order to make money on their "useless" land, which is taxed very cheaply because it is supposedly "useless." They then lease out portions of their land for hunting or other purposes and make money off their cheaply taxed "useless" land. Now they are losing that land due to the deals they agreed too with the O&G industry and our tax dollars are being spent to help the private land owners.
I fault big land owners in the coastal region for making deals with O&G in order to make money on their "useless" land, which is taxed very cheaply because it is supposedly "useless." They then lease out portions of their land for hunting or other purposes and make money off their cheaply taxed "useless" land. Now they are losing that land due to the deals they agreed too with the O&G industry and our tax dollars are being spent to help the private land owners.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:23 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Restore the fricking wetlands already.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:28 am to Spaulding Smails
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Is this just a thread full of butt hurt and jealous BR turds hoping that their big brother city drowns in the gulf?
why would we hope that happens? they would have to move somewhere and lord knows i don't want yall in BR
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:33 am to euquol
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In 1973, both the Bonnet Carre and Morganza were utilized and it was nearly overwhelmed. I do not know if it will be in my lifetime since that was 4 years before I was born but I can see it happening where the Old River Control Structure failing if similar circumstances were thrown at it. All the engineering genius and effort will not be enough if Mother Nature throws out the perfect storm.
It almost collapsed during Tropical Storm Juan in the 90s as well.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:34 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I've been hearing "New Orleans will be underwater in fifty years" for the last 35 years or so. They keep pushing it back.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:37 am to glassman
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It would take 50 years
It would take just one damn break at ORCS to make the lower Mississippi delta port infrastructure obsolete. It's unlikely to occur, but it would instantly change the economic dynamics of all the ports between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:40 am to kingbob
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I almost collapse during tropical storm Juan
Not Old River or Morganza.
I've never seen it get as bad as May 2011 over there. I wasn't around for 1973 though. The newer over bank structure is designed to ease some of that load during catastrophic flooding.
It's a major potential threat to the economic viability of the port at New Orleans, but a lot of things have been changed since 1973 in a way that should help keep ORCS stable. May 2011 was a test of those systems, and it worked pretty well. They actually opened Morganza up before I expected them to.
It's the kind of thing you should worry about in a 100 year span, but it's not as crucial as the storm surge protection, which New Orleans will depend on more regularly.
Old River Control Structure would hurt everything you see along the Mississippi between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. It won't just be the city of New Orleans that will suffer if that breaks. A failure at Old River has major regional and even national consequences. It's actually shocking how much of the national economy depends on that structure working as intended.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 9:50 am
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:48 am to member12
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It's unlikely to occur, but it would instantly change the economic dynamics of all the ports between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
The biggest issue is that it would allow the saltwater wedge of the river to go past New Orleans, meaning the city would lose it's supply of freshwater.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:49 am to NYNolaguy1
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3)The river itself. The Miss. River has been wanting to change course for almost 100 years. The corps built Old river control to hold it back. Eventually it will fail and the river turns into a salt water estuary, causing NOLA to lose fresh water and its port.
This is the real reason. NOLA and BR are both in trouble in the next 150 years. In relates news, Morgan City has an interesting future ahead of it.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:50 am to kingbob
It could be resolved. NOLA already experiences salt water intrusion up the MS river in the winter months when flow is decreased. So they effectively build a levee at the bottom of the river, height depending on the magnitude of the salt water gradient. This holds back the salt water. Come spring, the increased flow washes out the levee and the salt water as well
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:54 am to euquol
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In 1973, both the Bonnet Carre and Morganza were utilized and it was nearly overwhelmed. I do not know if it will be in my lifetime since that was 4 years before I was born but I can see it happening where the Old River Control Structure failing if similar circumstances were thrown at it. All the engineering genius and effort will not be enough if Mother Nature throws out the perfect storm.
In 2011, the flood was greater than in 1973. In between 1973 and 2011 the Corp of Engineers made adjustments and strengthening to it and it held up to 2011 just fine. Also they are raising and strengthening the levees above it and I am sure there are also plans to strengthen it as well.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:58 am to kingbob
No, there are much bigger consequences than that for losing the river. It's been discussed in depth on the flood boards we used to have. You'd be looking at a narrower, shallower channel that flows too slowly to suspend silt particles. The bulk agricultural products that flow down River would not be able to get to New Orleans part of the year, and everything that depends on deep channel access north of Chalmette would suffer greatly - including the petrochemical business in south Louisiana.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 10:01 am to member12
The river losing any of its navigability (is that a word? It is now.) would be disastrous for Louisiana's economy.
Well, it might be a real boon for other parts of the state, especially Lake Charles, but it would be a disaster for cancer alley.
Well, it might be a real boon for other parts of the state, especially Lake Charles, but it would be a disaster for cancer alley.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 10:01 am to member12
100% agree
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