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re: Ebola Nurse in Maine Takes a Bike Ride - Cops Follow

Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:39 pm to
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Are you even so much as hinting that a person with a documented 101° fever, fatigue, and with her given contact and travel history should have been allowed to board another aircraft?



Well its still ridiculously unlikely that the disease spreads even when a person is running a temp. Which is why the CDC let that Dallas nurse get on a plane.

And guess what. Nobody got Ebola.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:41 pm to
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The lying schmo Dr. Spencer (in NYC who went bowling, rode the subway etc and lied to police about it) was forbidden from returning to his job at the hospital where he was employed, for 3 weeks.....hmmmm...... our soldiers are being quarantined and kept from their families and others for 3 weeks....hmmmmm.....I think ALL OF US Americans deserve the same protection from these people like the a-hole nurse in Maine.
And there it is in a nutshell.

In physical science every action generates an equal and opposite reaction. In social science otoh, reaction may or may not be equal. In this case, the CDCs initial actions were dumb. The general reaction as expected is perhaps even dumber. All very predictable.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:42 pm to
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Well its still ridiculously unlikely that the disease spreads even when a person is running a temp.
WRONG!
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Which is why the CDC let that Dallas nurse get on a plane.
The Dallas nurse was afebrile.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:46 pm to
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Is that what you are saying?
No. It's amazing that your reading comprehension sucks so much at times.

I reported the facts. I quoted a first hand account of what happened to back that up. Your statement that she was running a fever "upon arrival" is false. Like a lot of other things you say.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68438 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:47 pm to
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She never had it......

Then why are people freaking out over this?
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:50 pm to
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Then why are people freaking out over this?



Because people are stupid
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:52 pm to
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I reported the facts. I quoted a first hand account of what happened to back that up. Your statement that she was running a fever "upon arrival" is false. Like a lot of other things you say.
Of course I said nothing of the sort, but back to the point at hand:

Should a potential ebola carrier have been allowed to board an airliner after registering a temperature of 101° in customs?

Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:53 pm to
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WRONG!



Well I guess you know more than my friend thats a doctor and the doctor they interviewed on NBC's nightly news this week.

Or think you do at least
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:55 pm to
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She never had it.......
The incubation range extends 21days.
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Because people are stupid
Indeed.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68031 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:57 pm to
They're not stupid, just concerned. Many realize that viruses mutate and that provides a foundation for uncertainty. Many just want to err on the side of caution.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:58 pm to
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Well I guess you know more than my friend thats a doctor and the doctor they interviewed on NBC's nightly news this week.
If either one of them said, "Well its still ridiculously unlikely that the disease spreads even when a person is running a temp," then my pet ShihTzu knows more than they do.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 5:17 pm to
Or they actually know what they're talking about.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123778 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 5:21 pm to
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Or they actually know what they're talking about.
If they do, you are misquoting them.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32857 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 5:25 pm to
I thought the story was that she had 2 normal temps registered but then registered a 101* temp after panicking in a hot customs room for over an hour.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 5:46 pm to
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considered only temperatures above 101.5 to be medically relevant.

In the right context, thats not true. I mean, body temperature doesn't go from 37 to 38.5 instantaneously.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 5:56 pm to
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quote:

I reported the facts. I quoted a first hand account of what happened to back that up. Your statement that she was running a fever "upon arrival" is false. Like a lot of other things you say.
Of course I said nothing of the sort, but back to the point at hand:


NC_Tigah:
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Hickox was running an apparent fever on arrival, but her temp normalized.

Yeah, you totally never said anything of the sort.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 5:59 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33315 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 6:06 pm to
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Question: Have some healthcare workers returning from Africa contracted Ebola?

Answer: Yes

Conclusion: Why not take the prudent step of requiring a 21 day isolation period for these people?

The bike ride may not have posed a threat to anyone, but either you have a 21 day isolation period or you don't. We've already seen people riding the subway, going bowling, going to a restaurant, etc, so leaving it up to the discretion of the individual healthcare worker doesn't always result in wise decisions.



You hate freedom and you love big government. Your position is clearly understood.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 6:07 pm to
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If they do, you are misquoting them.



LINK

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Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 7:21 pm to
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Cockopotamus
Here is a link to the editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine.

But you know, a bunch of liberal elitist hacks.
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Furthermore, we now know that fever precedes the contagious stage, allowing workers who are unknowingly infected to identify themselves before they become a threat to their community.
I have to admit that this was the first I heard of it and had, like NC_Tigah, believed that people were contagious the minute they got a fever as well. Surprised it is not pushed by the other experts as much.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2406 posts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 7:23 pm to
experts have also stated that 15% NEVER get a fever. So they won't know they're sick until they're sick...and hopefully that won't be sitting on a crowded subway and puking on someone or sneezing on someone.
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