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re: Ebola Nurse in Maine Takes a Bike Ride - Cops Follow
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:20 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:20 am to mmcgrath
And she is a limited-thinking idiot. Virulence + managing fears are not mutually exclusive here (not the only factors either) and she wont alter any policy decision govts have to implement.
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:46 am to ScottFowler
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if its warrented for our military, than its warrented for our civilians
Just because they are doing it does not make it warranted.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:02 pm to mmcgrath
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Limiting their contacts" is fine with me. Locking them up and limiting their contacts to zero when they aren't showing symptoms makes no sense.
Yes it does. Its pretty much step one in trying to control an epidemic. You typically can't control a breakout, you have to let it burn itself out through containment. Consider it a 21 day vacation.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:05 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Let it get into the animal population (as in Africa) and the concern gets really ramped up.
Racist
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:09 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Let it get into the animal population (as in Africa) and the concern gets really ramped up
Wait, is it a confirmed zoonosis? I didn't know that.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:21 pm to MSMHater
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MSMHater
Bats I believe in Africa then monkeys, pigs, etc.
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Health experts believe the initial cases in many Ebola outbreaks start from people eating or handling Ebola-infected animals. Then they spread it to other people through contact with bodily fluids. Fruit bats, as well as primates such as chimpanzees, are frequently cited as potential reservoirs of the Ebola virus - animals many Africans hunt for their meat.
LINK
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:27 pm to KCT
How the frick are people who are against the government locking people up without due process "liberal".
Is Judge Nap a "liberal" to you?
Some people actually believe in a limited government.
Is Judge Nap a "liberal" to you?
Some people actually believe in a limited government.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:36 pm to mmcgrath
Locking people up without due process is North Korean type shite.
fricking statist.
I'm with Judge Nap.
fricking statist.
I'm with Judge Nap.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:36 pm to KCT
I'm not certain if she should or shouldn't be quarantined, but there is a liberty interest here and I'm glad there is at least some debate and resistance rather than passively acceding to the order.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:41 pm to mmcgrath
Wow. That shite is even more idiotic than the mandatory quarantine.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:45 pm to thejudge
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Yes it does. Its pretty much step one in trying to control an epidemic. You typically can't control a breakout, you have to let it burn itself out through containment. Consider it a 21 day vacation.
You can't spread the disease unless you are exhibiting symptoms though so its pretty fricking stupid to lock everybody up regardless.
They held a plane at Columbia's airport last week because someone got a nosebleed. Literally, the guy got a nosebleed and they thought it might be Ebola. This shite is ridiculous and having a mandatory quarantine is only going to ramp up the paranoia and increase the idiotic incidents like that
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:48 pm to mmcgrath
They need to $hit or get off the pot.
Either tase that broad and put her back in her house under lock and key, put her in a facility or leave her the f*ck alone.
All this surveillance nonsense is making everyone involved look bad - her, gubmint - errbody.
Either tase that broad and put her back in her house under lock and key, put her in a facility or leave her the f*ck alone.
All this surveillance nonsense is making everyone involved look bad - her, gubmint - errbody.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:08 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Meh. 21 days is necessary for folks who would be unreliable in reporting symptoms, self-quarantining, and providing appropriate information when contacting first responders. Other than that, your right.
FIFY and the 21 day isolation period is unnecessary for anything other than soothing phobias.
Again, the fact Ebola is non-contagious until symptoms appear gives us tremendous epidemiological advantages. The CDC has got to buck up and reinforce that meme. Prior to reporting to the hospital, Vinson and Spencer were asymptomatic and noncontagious. Hickox was running an apparent fever on arrival, but her temp normalized. She was symptom free X24hrs. Unless she becomes symptomatic, she will not be contagious.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:10 pm to mmcgrath
IRL conversation with my golfing buddy yesterday.
Me: "OK, if you've got internet, TV, radio and someone bringing food to your house could you handle being home bound for 21 days?"
George: "Sure. Easy."
Me: "So, why can't that nurse handle it?"
George: "Because she's a bitch."
Me: "OK, if you've got internet, TV, radio and someone bringing food to your house could you handle being home bound for 21 days?"
George: "Sure. Easy."
Me: "So, why can't that nurse handle it?"
George: "Because she's a bitch."
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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Hickox was running an apparent fever on arrival
No.. they took her temp. It was normal. They shuffled her off to a room anyways. She got pissed. Her skin got flushed and hot. They took her temp with an infrared doohickey... it showed high. They said.. AHA... SYMPTOMS. They took it again orally, and it was 98.6.
Nothing more than fear and scare tactics with a lot of "trying to garner political points" on the part of Fatass Christie... at least in this particular case.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:57 pm to SSpaniel
quote:NO!
No.. they took her temp. It was normal. They shuffled her off to a room anyways.
They ""shuffled her off"", then they took her temp. It measured 101ºF. That is high.
So let's be clear, anyone who would send a potential Ebola carrier, after registering a 101ºF fever, onto a passenger-laden airliner would need to be drawn-and-quartered. There is no way in hell that woman was going to travel on public transport! None!
Period!
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:08 pm to NC_Tigah
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They ""shuffled her off"", then they took her temp. It measured 101ºF. That is high.
So let's be clear, anyone who would send a potential Ebola carrier, after registering a 101ºF fever, onto a passenger-laden airliner would need to be drawn-and-quartered. There is no way in hell that woman was going to travel on public transport! None!
Period!
Pretty sure she was getting off the plane.
Also if fever is the only symptom its still incredibly rare for the disease to spread from person to person.
But lets not let facts get in the way
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:21 pm to Cockopotamus
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Pretty sure she was getting off the plane.
She wasShe was.
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She described having her temperature taken with a forehead monitor at Newark airport, which showed she had a temperature of 101 degrees, but which she insisted was flawed. “I explained that an oral thermometer would be more accurate and that the forehead scanner was recording an elevated temperature because I was flushed and upset,” Hickox wrote in a letter published by the Dallas News. She said her temperature was taken with an oral thermometer once she arrived at the hospital from quarantine at Newark airport. “After my temperature was recorded as 98.6 on the oral thermometer, the doctor decided to see what the forehead scanner records. It read 101. The doctor felts my neck and looked at the temperature again. ‘There’s no way you have a fever,’ he said. ‘Your face is just flushed.’”
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:59 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:Sometimes one has something known as a "connection." It is a transfer from one flight to another.
Pretty sure she was getting off the plane.
What happens is one plane lands. The passenger disembarks and heads to her next flight. In this case as an international arrival, she had to pass thru customs in route to her next flight. She was detained at customs, prior to making that connection.
Most folks who have flown would understand that.
She had a 101 degree fever at some point. She was detained appropriately. A shame she was put in a tent. Seemed unnecessary. But a 24hr travel hold and quarantine was not unreasonable. When she demonstrated no symptoms, she was released. It was a solid call.
It sounds like the governor of Maine asked her to avoid large crowds, and public transportation thru Nov 10th, but not restrict her to formal quarantine. She refused. So the governor is seeking a court order forced quarantine. Actually that is not as unreasonable as what is being presented in the news.
I still think if the woman has no symptoms at all she should not be restricted, but she's made her bed.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:02 pm to mmcgrath
Have seen some articles (from outside of Maine) trying to make this a political issue in Maine, as the very conservative Republican governor is in a tight race for reelection.
Guess some don't know that his Democratic opponent has come out publicly in support of the 21-day quarantine.
"Reporter: “The governor says that Fort Kent nurse is not following the state protocol, the state CDC protocol… What do you think about the way she’s handling this, and the way the governor’s handling this?”
Michaud: “I think when you look at the whole Eloba issue, it’s the state’s responsibility to make sure that people are protected here in the state of Maine for public safety and I support the 21 day quarantine. ”
Rand Paul has endorsed the governor, who won election in 2010 as part of the Tea Party wave with 38% of the vote, and who still identifies with the Tea Party. I mention this only because someone mentioned it's a "liberty issue", yet the primary champion of liberty politics supports the governor who is attempting to enforce the quarantine. It's not about politics, and should not be. Good people can disagree honestly, and this situation is a good example of that.
(As an aside, if Michaud wins on Tuesday, which he has even odds of doing, he will be the nation's first openly gay person elected to a governorship , and he will have done so without either party making it a campaign issue. Only the Independent in the race has done so, and he has done it by saying Michaud's voting history is too "anti-gay" !)
Guess some don't know that his Democratic opponent has come out publicly in support of the 21-day quarantine.
"Reporter: “The governor says that Fort Kent nurse is not following the state protocol, the state CDC protocol… What do you think about the way she’s handling this, and the way the governor’s handling this?”
Michaud: “I think when you look at the whole Eloba issue, it’s the state’s responsibility to make sure that people are protected here in the state of Maine for public safety and I support the 21 day quarantine. ”
Rand Paul has endorsed the governor, who won election in 2010 as part of the Tea Party wave with 38% of the vote, and who still identifies with the Tea Party. I mention this only because someone mentioned it's a "liberty issue", yet the primary champion of liberty politics supports the governor who is attempting to enforce the quarantine. It's not about politics, and should not be. Good people can disagree honestly, and this situation is a good example of that.
(As an aside, if Michaud wins on Tuesday, which he has even odds of doing, he will be the nation's first openly gay person elected to a governorship , and he will have done so without either party making it a campaign issue. Only the Independent in the race has done so, and he has done it by saying Michaud's voting history is too "anti-gay" !)
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