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re: The Federal Reserve ends QE.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:36 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:36 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Da Fuq was all that?
I wonder if people like you will look back in 5 years at how damn dumb you were.
Or if you will still think you were right and it is still coming or some crazy "something" happened and had it not you would have been right.
I'm sure it is the latter and above all you will still honestly believe Obama's goal was to ruin the country.
No help for people like you IMO.
No offense.
I wonder if people like you will look back in 5 years at how damn dumb you were.
Or if you will still think you were right and it is still coming or some crazy "something" happened and had it not you would have been right.
I'm sure it is the latter and above all you will still honestly believe Obama's goal was to ruin the country.
No help for people like you IMO.
No offense.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Almost two years later, and you are STILL a bitch.
Tiger n Miami AU83
You're a bitch.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Ok den lil feller. Preciate your obssession with me.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:43 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
Our economy will collapse on itself within 5 years.
I doubt we will ever see a total collapse BUT I do think the possiblity of another Great Depression like the 1930s is very possible.
I have grudgingly come to the conclusion that 'Merica is in decline & she may not be able to revive herself.
I am seeing a slow decline of the US over the next 20-30 years. IF something miraculous doesn't happen, the best days of America are BEHIND her.
This country needs BOTH a spiritual and economic revival.
I see the little ones that are born today and in the last 10 years. I wonder if they will know the freedoms and relative prosperity that most of us have known.
It saddens me to no end that future generations of Americans will read about the past freedoms and prosperity that this great country once had & wonder why they don't have them.
Maybe enough of the them will rise up against the socialist state and start demanding what this country can really be in terms of freedom and prosperity again.
It may take some bloodshed, sacrifice, and hardtimes. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but I think it will.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:44 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Meh. I think you flatter yourself thinking anyone is obsessed with you. Not surprising. You appear to have an inflated sense of your own intelligence.
It must be hard working for rich people...when you hate rich people.
It must be hard working for rich people...when you hate rich people.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:48 pm to Reubaltaich
quote:Can you name a few of the "freedoms" that we have lost?
Reubaltaich
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:06 pm to mmcgrath
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Can you name a few of the "freedoms" that we have lost?
The right to a jury trial. The government now claims the right to detain US citizens indefinitely, and the Supreme Court has endorsed civil forfeiture.
The right to be free from warrantless searches.
The right to make our own medical decisions, gone thanks to Obamacare.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:15 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Can you name a few of the "freedoms" that we have lost?
Too easy.
But you have been so blinded & conditioned over the years that you & tens of millions like you can't even comprehend it.
#1 is my money. I bust my tail every day to provide a living for my family.
However, when its all added up, well over 50% of my money is ate up in government taxes.
Our Founding Fathers went to war over a lot less.
You people look at your check stub and look at the withholdings and think that is it. You & tens of millions of other are so wrong.
You are being taxed on just about EVERY item you purchase. From the fuel to your vehicle to the gallon of milk you purchase at the grocery store.
Then you have what economists called 'hidden taxes'. I would suggest you research it.
Its all factored into the cost of what you purchase, from the shoes on your feet to the cell phone minutes you use, to the food that you buy at the store.
#2 Health care. Our HC system has been so distorted of the last 50 years, its so out of whack. And most of it has come from the 'do-gooders' from the left due to the likes of ted kennedy.
Now we have obama-scam. We are only on the precipice of what is going to go down. And it ain't gonna be pretty.
Does it seem ironic to you that none other than the IRS is going to be the main administer of this scam? Prolly not.
#3 Think of the NSA. We have lost all privacy.
*Your EVERY phone conversion is being recorded & stored.
*Every e-mail and text message you seen is being archived in a data base somewhere.
*EVERY piece of mail and UPS/FedEx or other
package is scanned and archived in a data base.
*Even every post you have on TD is saved and stored on a data base somewhere.
You were saying?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:26 pm to Bestbank Tiger
"I tremble for my country that God is just, that his justice can't sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
There once was a dream that was the United States of America. It's dying, and it's sad to see it go.
There once was a dream that was the United States of America. It's dying, and it's sad to see it go.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:34 pm to Reubaltaich
quote:Taxes exist in every government. You lost this "freedom" like 1000 years ago.
#1 is my money.
quote:You use a lot of words like "scam". Yet you don't say how you have "lost" anything. Although I guess it's ironic you would consider healthcare to be a freedom in the first place and then be against ObamaCare in the other. It may not be a great system but its goal is to provide that "freedom" to more citizens, which it does no matter how much you might argue its effectiveness.
#2 Health care.
The bottom line is that more people in the US have access to better healthcare today than at any other time in history, so this is clearly a fail in the lost freedoms department.
quote:I think we are only more aware of how our privacy is being violated nowadays. And yes, everything you do on the internet is being recorded, only it's not just Big Brother watching. I could write a program to record every post ever written on TD if I wanted to.
#3 Think of the NSA. We have lost all privacy.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:39 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
S.E.C. Crazy
Appreciate the explanation.
I do agree with some of your post especially the point about rising interest rates. However I do not see this is a sign of bad times. In fact I like high interest rates because I'm a saver. I like when my money sits in an essentially risk free money market account earning a nice return.
I also agree that rising interest rates and the national debt is a concern. I don't belive it's necessarily the national debt that's at issue with rising interest rate, it the lurking unfunded libilities that have to be met. Those unfunded liilities are many people's hopes and dreams and if those are not met that's when civil unrest could occur. This is uncharted waters.
In terms of the dollar, currently the dollar is strong. It's strong because the other central banks continue to print whereas the Fereral Reserve has stopped. Furthermore, there might be a little geopolitics being played with the Federal Reserve to strengthen the dollar and thus undermine Putin.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:45 pm to mmcgrath
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Yet you don't say how you have "lost" anything.
I lost the right to choose a health insurance plan that meets my needs. As of December 31, it is against the law for an insurer to offer or for me to purchase the plan I have right now. And all of the replacement plans are junk. I will have less access and lower quality as a direct result of Obamacare. That would fit any reasonable person's definition of lost freedom.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:56 pm to mmcgrath
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It may not be a great system but its goal is to provide that "freedom" to more citizens, which it does no matter how much you might argue its effectiveness.
It's a handout for the (mostly) leeches, and it is less freedom for those who actually have to pay for it.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:That's a valid complaint for today but it hardly addresses any loss in healthcare from generation to generation. More people have access to better healthcare today than 40-50 years ago. If healthcare is a "freedom" we haven't lost anything for future generations to be crying over.
I lost the right to choose a health insurance plan that meets my needs. As of December 31, it is against the law for an insurer to offer or for me to purchase the plan I have right now. And all of the replacement plans are junk. I will have less access and lower quality as a direct result of Obamacare. That would fit any reasonable person's definition of lost freedom.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:00 pm to HonoraryCoonass
quote:
less freedom for those who actually have to pay for it.
In fairness, paying for it is a matter of degree. The real loss of freedom is in consumer choice.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:01 pm to GumboPot
Back to the OP, I think that the ending of QE could be an especially strong time for the economy. Perfect timing for the R's to get a small majority in the Senate and claim responsibility, no?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:05 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
I think that the ending of QE could be an especially strong time for the economy.
I'm not sure why they kept it up as long as they did. If it works, you don't need it anymore. If it doesn't you should try something different.
The shrinking labor force and stagnant middle-class incomes are both signs that the latter is true.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:06 pm to GumboPot
I read a book recently that clarified in great detail how quickly this debt can spiral out of control once interest rates rise. And the money we have promised, but spend daily is, as you say, a calamity waiting to happen.
The thing is, when a country is in debt as much as we are we place ourselves in great peril to foreign manipulation.
When interest rates were 20 percent in the late 70's rich people refused to invest money because the tax rate was so high and they could just invest in bonds or place there money in different banks and draw interest, thereby stagnating the economy.
I still have some stocks, but I bought a lot of Gold and silver when it was low, I wil probably sell my Apple stock shortly.
Stocks will tumble about 15 percent in the next 6 months to a year ( correction ) but the real harbinger of bad tidings will be if we elect another Democrat in 2016. If we don't balance our budget within the next 2-3 years I am fearful for our future.
The thing is, when a country is in debt as much as we are we place ourselves in great peril to foreign manipulation.
When interest rates were 20 percent in the late 70's rich people refused to invest money because the tax rate was so high and they could just invest in bonds or place there money in different banks and draw interest, thereby stagnating the economy.
I still have some stocks, but I bought a lot of Gold and silver when it was low, I wil probably sell my Apple stock shortly.
Stocks will tumble about 15 percent in the next 6 months to a year ( correction ) but the real harbinger of bad tidings will be if we elect another Democrat in 2016. If we don't balance our budget within the next 2-3 years I am fearful for our future.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:09 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
paying for it is a matter of degree. The real loss of freedom is in consumer choice.
I am working to pay for something that does not benefit me or my family. That is asignificant loss of freedom.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:16 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
I'm not sure why they kept it up as long as they did.
Boost asset prices. Assets that have inflated (beginning with the 2008 financial crisis) during QE:
1. Housing.
2. Equities.
3. Bonds.
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