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re: Will Dwight come close to what AD just did?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:27 pm to MrPappagiorgio
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:27 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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I used to think he was just a troll, until he took Dwight #6 overall in a dynasty basketball league...
Exactly, he isn't a troll. He's a Rockettes homer with a cursory understanding of the game.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:29 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Wrong son. He knows everything there is to know about basketball. He is extremely knowledgeable. Just ask him. He'll tell you all about how knowledgeable he is.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:32 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:
I used to think he was just a troll, until he took Dwight #6 overall in a dynasty basketball league...
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:39 pm to Scrowe
oh so it's bullshite? Lol have you even read it? If you think the paper is bullshite after reading it you have no business discussing basektball
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:40 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:
I used to think he was just a troll, until he took Dwight #6 overall in a dynasty basketball league...
Does this mean you want to bet me on whom has the better team/record? I'll take that bet gladly.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
It's not gospel like you want it to be. So here's a little something using their data coming up with points allowed per shot defended (PAPSD).
Rank/Player/PAPSD
1 Serge Ibaka 0.759558
2 Larry Sanders 0.75966
3 Roy Hibbert 0.776292
4 Kosta Koufos 0.8099
5 Jermaine O'Neal 0.821834
6 Elton Brand 0.822844
7 Nene Hilario 0.890696
8 Joakim Noah 0.895472
9 Spencer Hawes 0.896622
10 Kendrick Perkins 0.896711
11 Nick Collison 0.904793
12 Nazr Mohammed 0.907134
13 LaMarcus Aldridge 0.910515
14 Marc Gasol 0.912768
15 Tiago Splitter 0.920855
16 Ekpe Udoh 0.921327
17 Kevin Seraphin 0.923392
18 Omer Asik 0.930768
19 Al Jefferson 0.932464
20 Emeka Okafor 0.932572
21 JaVale McGee 0.933692
22 Dwight Howard 0.934856
I took the shots defended and multiplied the percentage of shots at each range by it to determine the number of shots at each range defended by that person then multiplied that by that person allowable field goal percentage at that range. Took that and multiplied it by the number of points you get per made basket at that range and added them all together from those ranges. This gives you the average number of points allowed per shot defense by those defenders.
Dwight doesn't even break the top 20 in this aspect. So while he may decrease field goal percentage at the basket but he's not stopping people from scoring at some Superman rate when he's defending. Defense isn't just played 5 ft from the basket.
Unfortunately AD wasn't in this study, but Asik was so we can get a comparison there.
Rank/Player/PAPSD
1 Serge Ibaka 0.759558
2 Larry Sanders 0.75966
3 Roy Hibbert 0.776292
4 Kosta Koufos 0.8099
5 Jermaine O'Neal 0.821834
6 Elton Brand 0.822844
7 Nene Hilario 0.890696
8 Joakim Noah 0.895472
9 Spencer Hawes 0.896622
10 Kendrick Perkins 0.896711
11 Nick Collison 0.904793
12 Nazr Mohammed 0.907134
13 LaMarcus Aldridge 0.910515
14 Marc Gasol 0.912768
15 Tiago Splitter 0.920855
16 Ekpe Udoh 0.921327
17 Kevin Seraphin 0.923392
18 Omer Asik 0.930768
19 Al Jefferson 0.932464
20 Emeka Okafor 0.932572
21 JaVale McGee 0.933692
22 Dwight Howard 0.934856
I took the shots defended and multiplied the percentage of shots at each range by it to determine the number of shots at each range defended by that person then multiplied that by that person allowable field goal percentage at that range. Took that and multiplied it by the number of points you get per made basket at that range and added them all together from those ranges. This gives you the average number of points allowed per shot defense by those defenders.
Dwight doesn't even break the top 20 in this aspect. So while he may decrease field goal percentage at the basket but he's not stopping people from scoring at some Superman rate when he's defending. Defense isn't just played 5 ft from the basket.
Unfortunately AD wasn't in this study, but Asik was so we can get a comparison there.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:10 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Does this mean you want to bet me on whom has the better team/record? I'll take that bet gladly.
What are the terms?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:19 pm to Broski
This was gonna be a sidebet for our fantasy league.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:22 pm to Scrowe
quote:yes, elite rim defense is one of dwights things
So while he may decrease field goal percentage at the basket
quote:you're right when Aldridge is throwing up fadeaways from 17ft and they're going in all day there's nothing Dwight as great as he is can do about it.
he's not stopping people from scoring at some Superman rate when he's defending. Defense isn't just played 5 ft from the basket.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
Dwight Howard is papsmear. Fact.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:34 pm to Boomshockalocka
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you're right when Aldridge is throwing up fadeaways from 17ft and they're going in all day there's nothing Dwight as great as he is can do about it.
Wait what??? This was the study you pushed me to read I read it, come with some facts from their data and you give me this crap about 17ft fade aways by Aldridge?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:34 pm to SuperSoakher
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This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:37 pm to Scrowe
Yes Dwight is the elite rim protector, nothing he or anyone else can do when Aldridge is making it rain. The point of Dwight effect is that blocks aren't the end all be all measure of Defense like so many here like to think. Davis gets a blocks so he his great.... Not so fast. he only gets those blocks bc he has so many opportunities to get blocks whereas D12 doesn't because people don't challenge him.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:42 pm to Boomshockalocka
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yes, elite rim defense is one of dwights things
Bigs in the study allowing a lower field goal percentage at close range than Dwight:
Roy Hibbert
Larry Sanders
Elton Brand
Serge Ibaka
LaMarcus Aldridge
Jermaine O'Neal
Kosta Koufos
Kendrick Perkins
Joakim Noah
Doesn't even take the title in that.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:43 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Yes Dwight is the elite rim protector
Number 10 according to close range FG% per your study.
quote:
nothing he or anyone else can do when Aldridge is making it rain
I think the only person in the study who doesn't play Aldridge...is Aldridge so that doesn't hold any weight to your defense.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
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The point of Dwight effect is that blocks aren't the end all be all measure of Defense
Ok, so what is, because you say he's elite which the stats are showing he isn't. Another fun fact, here's points allowed per shot defended at close range.
Roy Hibbert 0.764
Larry Sanders 0.768
Elton Brand 0.796
Serge Ibaka 0.832
LaMarcus Aldridge 0.878
Jermaine O'Neal 0.88
Kosta Koufos 0.9
Joakim Noah 0.91
Kendrick Perkins 0.91
Dwight Howard 0.914
Wouldn't allowing the least amount of points when you're on the ball be what you're looking for? He's 10th at close range, 22nd against mid range, 46th at 3pt (hand down man down Dwight!), and 22nd overall. These are all ranking him points allowed per shot defended at the specific range.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:05 pm to Scrowe
Do I really have to dig up last years numbers or are you gonna take my word for it? Dwight is the best except for Hibbert. Davis isn't in the picture. Remember also that D12 was still shaking off his back injury last year too.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:07 pm to Scrowe
quote:dud you could juggle those numbers a million different ways to make a million different points. You aren't gonna prove anything to anyone. In closing out this topic, I'll remind you that the paper is called the Dwight Effect, not the Sanders effect, not the Brand effect, etc.
Scrowe
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
I am looking at "The Dwight Effect:
A New Ensemble of Interior Defense Analytics for the NBA" I am assuming this is what you're talking about. It's this multipage report with all the stats. If it's not what you were talking about then put the link in here. Quit all this, "trust me, I've seen it".
A New Ensemble of Interior Defense Analytics for the NBA" I am assuming this is what you're talking about. It's this multipage report with all the stats. If it's not what you were talking about then put the link in here. Quit all this, "trust me, I've seen it".
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 4:16 pm
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