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re: Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
my .02:(bait taken)
TDKR has the gimmicky villain that gets taken out by Anne Hathaway. The big twist is a dud. It also suffers from the same problem is predecessors suffered from: Christian Bale is a terrible Batman.
Avengers may have a rehashed villain but he's still a better character than what TDKR gives us. We also at the time got the feels for agent coulson dying. I would have applauded Christian bale biting it with the nuke, but nothing gives you the feels in TDKR. The dumb cops getting killed in the riot? That's just dumb, not touching and emotional.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:28 pm to stuckintexas
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Avengers may have a rehashed villain but he's still a better character than what TDKR gives us.
Disagree completely. Loki is a villain that Thor could have easily taken out by himself. You didn't need the whole of the Avengers to assemble to stop him after you saw Thor defeat Loki single-handedly in his origin film. So what if he had an army? They were easily defeated with the help of two humans who had no super powers or enhancements, whether natural or artificial, whatsoever (meaning Black Widow and Hawkeye).
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We also at the time got the feels for agent coulson dying. I would have applauded Christian bale biting it with the nuke, but nothing gives you the feels in TDKR.
Coulson is alive by the end, same goes for Bruce Wayne. Coulson being alive in Agents of SHIELD completely negates that plot line in The Avengers and makes his sacrifice meaningless.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:totally agree
But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:36 pm to RollTide1987
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So what if he had an army? They were easily defeated with the help of two humans who had no super powers or enhancements, whether natural or artificial, whatsoever (meaning Black Widow and Hawkeye).
Could Black Widow or Hawkeye or even any one Avenger single handedly defeat the entire Chitauri army? I doubt it. Could any Avenger beat Loki and the Chitauris by himself? The whole group was needed for that fight.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:39 pm to Brosef Stalin
Meh, really just the Hulk.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's pretty amazing that when these movies came out that they were seen as equals and some even preferred the avengers.
Still do. TDKR has a whole lost of issues and is the weakest of the Baman trilogy, suffering from the disease which often afflicts long series... it's just way too overstuffed. It could stand to be a half hour shorter, and it unfortunately suffers in comparison to the truly brilliant Dark Knight, which has a strong case for best superhero movie ever.
Avengers manages to balance having multiple lead characters and a complicated backstory, yet not feel nearly as bloated. It's a great piece of storytelling.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:01 pm to WarSlamEagle
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It's objectively a much worse movie. It's not even about taste, it's about knowing what you're talking about.
Wow, you are worse over here than you are on the SB.
Yea it's this dude MO. Pretentious douche bag on a message board.
BTW DS....we had an AU LSU ban bet if I'm not mistaken, care to grow some balls and ban yourself?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Even then, when he died, despite the fact I had seen all of the movies, I really didn't care.
we got a badass here, folks
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I love Batman and the Nolan films but TDKR was a huge drop in quality. So many eye rolling scenes (Blake knowing Bruce is Batman, Batman charging headfirst into Bain's lair without any kind of plan, Talia's reveal/motivations/death). It gets worse and worse with every rewatch.
There are some good things, I like that the choices made by Gordon and Alfred in TDK have consequences in TDKR. Scarecrow's cameo. Tom Hardy and his eyes give a great performance as Bane, even as his character is completely neutered by the horrible, horrible Talia reveal. Boring characters like Matthew Modine and Blake take up way too much time.
I think Nolan had a plan for the third film that went completely in the trash when Heath Ledger died.
There are some good things, I like that the choices made by Gordon and Alfred in TDK have consequences in TDKR. Scarecrow's cameo. Tom Hardy and his eyes give a great performance as Bane, even as his character is completely neutered by the horrible, horrible Talia reveal. Boring characters like Matthew Modine and Blake take up way too much time.
I think Nolan had a plan for the third film that went completely in the trash when Heath Ledger died.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:26 pm to craigbiggio
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I think Nolan had a plan for the third film that went completely in the trash when Heath Ledger died.
i know they will deny this forever, but damn im curious to know just what any of the story mightve been.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:26 pm to craigbiggio
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Heath Ledger died
...which made people view tdk in a different light, which carried over to tdkr
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:27 pm to stuckintexas
quote:What kind of light?
.which made people view tdk in a different light, which carried over to tdkr
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:30 pm to Sentrius
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Is this a troll post?
Isn't the OP though?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:31 pm to RollTide1987
Apples and oranges.
Film vs movie.
Film vs movie.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:35 pm to Baloo
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Still do. TDKR has a whole lost of issues and is the weakest of the Baman trilogy, suffering from the disease which often afflicts long series... it's just way too overstuffed. It could stand to be a half hour shorter, and it unfortunately suffers in comparison to the truly brilliant Dark Knight, which has a strong case for best superhero movie ever.
Avengers manages to balance having multiple lead characters and a complicated backstory, yet not feel nearly as bloated. It's a great piece of storytelling.
QFT
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:40 pm to Freauxzen
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Isn't the OP though?
Only if OP doesn't really believe what he's saying.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:44 pm to Sentrius
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Only if OP doesn't really believe what he's saying.
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eons better
Is not realistic. I don't care who you are.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:45 pm to craigbiggio
The only problem I had with TDKR was Blake throwing away the handgun after shooting two people and then 5 mins later he runs through the hospital with a shotgun.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:53 pm to jeff5891
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The only problem I had with TDKR was Blake throwing away the handgun after shooting two people and then 5 mins later he runs through the hospital with a shotgun.
I never even thought of this. Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:24 pm to abellsujr
Giving much more praise to ledger's performance and tdk as a whole
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:27 pm
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