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re: Brandon Harris/Matt Flynn
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:10 pm to euquol
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:10 pm to euquol
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And JJ had UGA and Bama. .
JJ'S bad games were against top 5 defenses(1 being an all time great). Jlee, s bad games were against horrible defenses.
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In the first game against Bama he under threw a wide open Shep by 10 yards and made him come back to catch a ball that should have been an easy TD.
So you're knocking JJ on this yet JLEE threw 2 ints while only having 7 attemps.
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Neither QB was an All SEC QB but I find that you think JJ was better amusing.
I never once said either was better. I said both had strengths and weaknesses. Neither qb was above the other and of you truly believe they were, you just aren't being honest. JJ played extreme well until we played two top 5 defenses. From the time JJ came back he had a completion % of 64 for 654 yards 5 tds and 1 int. Thats not bad.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:15 pm to euquol
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JJ was never reinstated and there was a time warp we could go through I am willing to bet LSU wins the SEC with JLee.
Now you're just not being honest. We dont beat bama on Nov.5th without JJ and option. Again JLEE had 7 attempts and had 2 ints on back to back drives.
IMO I do believe Lee had earned the right to keep the starting job after what he had done, but I'm not gonna sit here and say there was this huge gap in their play because there just wasn't. I never understood why posters had to tear one down when they supported the other. I'm proud to call both Tigers and I understand both gave more to lsu football on one random Wednesday nduring the season, than I will in my entire life.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:34 pm to JaxTiger10
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Now you're just not being honest
I remember that first drive of the first game like it was yesterday. JLee and the offense was moving down the field. Then on 3rd and short, in comes JJ. He gets the first then 3 plays and out. I specifically remember telling my friends watching the game the drive would be killed once I saw JJ come into the game.
I remember the severe underthrown pass to Shep in the 2nd quarter like it was yesterday. He was wide open for an easy 6 and the ball was simply underthrown and Shep had to come back for it.
I am not saying JLee was All World but I feel he was better than JJ. To this day I do not understand te fascination with JJ. TM7 gets kicked off the team for smoking too much weed. JJ curb stomps someone and nothing.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:38 pm to euquol
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I remember that first drive of the first game like it was yesterday. JLee and the offense was moving down the field. Then on 3rd and short, in comes JJ. He gets the first then 3 plays and out. I specifically remember telling my friends watching the game the drive would be killed once I saw JJ come into the game.
Again Jlee went 2/7 with 2 ints. We dont win that game without the option and JJ. Jlee had a career 1td-8 ints against bama. Jlee was a better passer than JJ but he didn't handle pressure from the defense well at all and JJ could somewhat.and the throw from JJ wasn't that under thrown. It hit Shep in the gut and he fell over because he didn't catch it away from his body. Had Shep caught the ball with his hands he walks into the end zone but he turned his entire body back towards the line and lost his balance. Its not like Shep had to go to the ground for the catch.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:08 am to euquol
quote:Don’t be confused about who was the starter and who was the backup. Both the Head Coach and the Offensive Coordinator acknowledged that Jefferson was the starter and Lee was the backup. However, they couldn’t just throw Jefferson back into the starting role when he returned.
It's amusing to me how people forget that Miles was waiting for Lee to make some sort of mistake to reinsert JJ back into the starting role despite the fact he was one of the most efficient passer in the nation at the time. Miles did not even get his moment until November in the Bama game - J Lee's second interception of the season.
You make the statement: “[Lee] was one of the most efficient passer (sic) in the nation at the time.” Lee certainly was one of the most efficient passers in the nation at the time; however, Jefferson was an even more efficient passer than Lee.
Lee and Jefferson had six games in which they both threw passes. In five of those six games, Jefferson had a higher passer efficiency than Lee.
In fact, from Jefferson’s first pass attempt in 2011, the Florida game, Jefferson had a higher passer efficiency than Lee during the regular season.
You don't know what that means?
It means that when people were talking about Lee being “one of the most efficient passers in the nation” before the Auburn game, in actuality, Jefferson was a most efficient passer and had had a higher passer efficiency.
It means that when people were talking about Lee being “one of the most efficient passers in the nation” before the Alabama game, in actuality, Jefferson was a most efficient passer and had had a higher passer efficiency.
It means that when people were talking about Lee being “one of the most efficient passers in the nation” before the SEC Championship game, in actuality, Jefferson was a most efficient passer and had had a higher passer efficiency.
It means that when people were talking about Lee having the best passer efficiency in the SEC at any point during the regular season, in actuality, after Jefferson threw his first pass in 2011, Jefferson had a higher passer efficiency.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:09 am to euquol
quote:Which games constitute the games "Lee started and played without interruption"? Is it the four games before Jefferson came back? Lee was interrupted in the Northwestern State game; Mett had more pass attempts than Lee in that game.
Please compare the offensive productions when Lee started and played without interruption to the offense when JJ started and played without interruption in 2011
How about we look at Lee's eight regular season games starts . . . before the Bama game. I'm sure you don't want to count the Bama game against Lee.
Let’s compare those eight regular season games starts before the Bama game against Jefferson's three regular season games starts after the Bama game.
In Lee's eight starts, LSU had one game over 400 total yards. One out of eight.
In Jefferson's three starts, LSU had three games over 400 total yards. Three out of three.
This isn't a situation in which Jefferson had some better games than Lee had during the regular season. Every single game in which Jefferson started was better than every single game in which Lee started.
You want to argue that Jefferson started against worse competition? Lee started against the opponent with the worst defense. In fact Lee started against 4 of the 5 worst defenses that LSU faced. Oh, and we aren't counting Lee's start against Bama. That wouldn't be fair to Lee.
quote:In the eight regular season games Lee started, LSU averaged 39.25 points. In the three regular season games Jefferson started, LSU averaged 45 points. (Yes, LSU's defense scored points in many games during the season, but every time the defense scored points means a lost opportunity for the offense to score points.)
A JJ led offense never hangs 40 on Oregon and 47 on West Virginia.
As for Oregon, Lee completed 10 of 22 (45%) for 98 yards, and Oregon had a mediocre defense (67th). Hardly a shock an awe performance.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:09 am to euquol
quote:In Lee's eight regular season games starts before Bama, LSU had only two games with over 200 yards rushing. Only two out of eight or 25%. In one of those two games, LSU would not have rushed for 200 yards without the 73 yards rushing by Jefferson.
I said offensive production. With JLee in the game the running game was much better because you had a passing threat with Lee back there.
With JJ you could stack the box and the running game was not as effective.
In Jefferson's three regular season games starts after Bama, LSU had over 200 yards rushing in all three games. Three out of three or 100%. Two of the three games were LSU’s best rushing games for the whole season. Jefferson started the only game in which LSU rushed for over 300 yards. He also started a game in which LSU rushed for 291 yards. Lee’s best game was 238 yards.
quote:Yes, LSU did. It’s probably the reason why LSU beat Bama in the GOC and went to the SECCG, and it helped to beat Georgia to send LSU to the BCSCG. But you know, downplay it’s importance all you want.
We did have the option though which was so effective against Bama
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:11 am to euquol
quote:Remember it like it was yesterday?
I remember that first drive of the first game like it was yesterday. JLee and the offense was moving down the field. Then on 3rd and short, in comes JJ. He gets the first then 3 plays and out. I specifically remember telling my friends watching the game the drive would be killed once I saw JJ come into the game.
quote:You make it sound like it was some extended drive. LSU had made ONE first down. Jefferson came in and got the SECOND first down of the possession.
JLee and the offense was moving down the field.
quote:You make it sound like Jefferson came in, got the first down, stayed in, and killed the drive. Jefferson came in and got the first down, and then he left the field. Lee immediately came back in, threw an incompletion, handed off to Ware for two yards, and then threw another incompletion on third down. Lee killed that drive with two incompletions. Are you trying to say that Lee is so fragile that having Jefferson come in to pick up a first down caused Lee to throw two incompletions on the next series?
He gets the first then 3 plays and out. I specifically remember telling my friends watching the game the drive would be killed once I saw JJ come into the game.
quote:The 2011 regular season numbers don’t support your “feeling.” His stats against Bama compared to Jefferson’s stats against Bama really don’t support your “feeling.” Maybe you should trust the facts and not your feeling.
I am not saying JLee was All World but I feel he was better than JJ.
quote:I see why you go with the way you “feel” instead of the facts. You have a real problem comprehending what the facts are. First, Jefferson did not “curb stomp” anyone. The reduction in charge to simple battery suggests that Jefferson did not even kick the alleged “victim.” Second, it was never proven that Jefferson even made contact with the alleged “victim.” There were more witness who stated Jefferson wasn’t involved than said he was involved. Third, Jefferson was punished. He was suspended for four games, and he lost his starting position for an additional five games.
To this day I do not understand te fascination with JJ. TM7 gets kicked off the team for smoking too much weed. JJ curb stomps someone and nothing.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:52 am to SaintlyTiger88
lets all remember that hes a TRUE freshman. He needs at least one year to learn the offense. Just bc Jameis came in and was able to dominate doesnt mean just anybody can do it.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:14 am to SaintlyTiger88
this thread is stupid
hes a fricking freshman
get the frick over yourselves rantards
hes a fricking freshman
get the frick over yourselves rantards
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:17 am to LSU-MNCBABY
Tiger fan 56 U must be about 13, Qb's as follows YA TIttle, Burt Jones Warren Rabb,Mauk ect. 
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:36 pm to Salviati
You are all absolutely correct. JJ played off the hook against Bama both times they played. Underthrowing an easy TD pass in the first game and never crossing the 50 in the title game was phenomenal play. That interception where he flicked the ball right into a hands of an Alabama defender was damn fine football.
You JJ apologist make me laugh.
You JJ apologist make me laugh.
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