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ACLU last year on the NYPD report on terrorism: radicalization debunked
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:40 am
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The ACLU published this on its website last year:
The ACLU published this on its website last year:
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Like a villain in a horror movie, the widely debunked concept of terrorist "radicalization" is once again raised from the grave by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) in its 2013 report, "American Jihadist Terrorism: Combating a Complex Threat." CRS is an influential legislative branch agency charged with providing objective policy analysis for members of Congress, which makes its continued reliance on the "radicalization" model promoted in a now-discredited 2007 New York Police Department report, "Radicalization in the West," particularly troublesome.
The NYPD report purported to describe the process that drives previously "unremarkable" people to become terrorists. According to Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly's preface, the document was intended to "to assist policymakers and law enforcement officials, both in Washington and throughout the country by providing a thorough understanding of the kind of threat we face domestically." It theorized a simple four-step process starting with the adoption of a particular set of beliefs to becoming a terrorist, though it strangely conceded that not all terrorists need to go through all, or any of these steps, and that people who did go through the steps would not necessarily become terrorists – though that didn't mean they weren't dangerous. Confused? It gets worse.
The report only examined terrorist acts committed by Muslims, and essentially suggested that all Muslims were potential terrorists that needed to be watched, stating that "[e]nclaves of ethnic populations that are largely Muslim often serve as 'ideological sanctuaries' for the seeds of radical thought." It posited a profile of potential terrorist "candidates" so broad that it's no profile at all: within these "Muslim enclaves," potential terrorists could range from members of middle class families to "successful college students, the unemployed, the second and third generation, new immigrants, petty criminals, and prison parolees." In other words: anyone and everyone. It identified "radicalization incubators," including mosques, as well as "cafes, cab driver hangouts, flophouses, prisons, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, hookah (water pipe) bars, butcher shops and book stores." In other words: any place and every place. Commonplace activities for Muslim-Americans, like wearing Islamic clothing, growing a beard, abstaining from alcohol and joining advocacy organizations or community groups were all listed as potential indicators of radicalization. In other words: any kind of behavior and all kinds of behavior.
If it sounds like the report's description of potential terrorists is so overbroad it could include entire Muslim-American communities, this does not appear to be accidental. Indeed, the report provided the ideological foundation for the NYPD Intelligence Division's program of mass surveillance of Muslim communities throughout the Northeast. Not surprisingly, this poorly focused program "never generated a lead or triggered a terrorism investigation," according to the Associated Press, which received a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage of the NYPD's program.
The NYPD radicalization report was quickly denounced by advocacy and academic organizations for its overstated and flawed facts and serious methodological errors...
quote:Wow.
But if counterterrorism officials believe that adopting radical beliefs are a necessary first stage to terrorism, they will obviously target belief communities and activists with their enforcement measures, as they often do.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:00 am to prplhze2000
So, I would like to hear how the ACLU would describe the violence and terrorism which took place in Canada, in the name of Islam, just a few days ago. The same type of violence, committed in the name of Islam, that anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear has witnessed time and time again.
99% of people on the planet don't have a problem with what Muslims claim their belief system is. Personally, it's totally okay with me if ANYBODY wants to worship Allah, the pyramids, or the Brazilian tree frog. I don't care. Hardly anybody cares. The problem arises when you have far too many members of a group, any group, who think that killing people WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM is an integral part of what they are supposed to do.
Right now, the only group I see doing that is Muslims. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT FAR TOO MANY OF THEM.
So, if the ACLU didn't care for what the findings were, I just have one question for the ACLU. What's your proposal for an effective way to deal with this problem?
99% of people on the planet don't have a problem with what Muslims claim their belief system is. Personally, it's totally okay with me if ANYBODY wants to worship Allah, the pyramids, or the Brazilian tree frog. I don't care. Hardly anybody cares. The problem arises when you have far too many members of a group, any group, who think that killing people WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM is an integral part of what they are supposed to do.
Right now, the only group I see doing that is Muslims. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT FAR TOO MANY OF THEM.
So, if the ACLU didn't care for what the findings were, I just have one question for the ACLU. What's your proposal for an effective way to deal with this problem?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 3:16 pm to prplhze2000
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ACLU
Stopped reading at this point, due to absolute lack of any rational credibility.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 4:08 pm to prplhze2000
One of the most perplexing phenomena of my lifetime has been American liberalism's unflinching, unrelenting defense of radical Islam.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:01 pm to L.A.
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One of the most perplexing phenomena of my lifetime has been American liberalism's unflinching, unrelenting defense of radical Islam.
this was a major reason i left the plantation of modern liberalism and its groupthink requirements
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:34 pm to KCT
quote:The guy only recently converted and did not turn to radicalization by being in a heavily Islamic section of town. He's a looser that found something on the internet.
So, I would like to hear how the ACLU would describe the violence and terrorism which took place in Canada, in the name of Islam, just a few days ago.
The ACLU is right. The NYPD report and investigations were overly generalized and overreaching.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:52 pm to mmcgrath
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The guy only recently converted and did not turn to radicalization by being in a heavily Islamic section of town. He's a looser that found something on the internet.
The ACLU is right. The NYPD report and investigations were overly generalized and overreaching.
How about the guy in Quebec, the guy in Oklahoma, the serial killer who is on trial currently for like 10 murders committed in the name of Islam ?
It's all coincidence, we shouldn't profile, profiling is wrong, Ann Romney's horse.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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It's all coincidence, we shouldn't profile, profiling is wrong, Ann Romney's horse.
But, what if I told you we could profile Ann Romney's horse?
And it's an Arabian Horse.
How would you feel about that?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:38 pm to redandright
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How would you feel about that?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Good for you. I don't don't like the Republicans right now, but mein Gott the leftists are even worse.
this was a major reason i left the plantation of modern liberalism and its groupthink requirements
Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:37 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Both guys in Canada were recent converts, as well as the Oklahoma guy who isn't even considered to have committed an "act of terror". I have no idea what serial killer on trial you are talking about.
How about the guy in Quebec, the guy in Oklahoma, the serial killer who is on trial currently for like 10 murders committed in the name of Islam ?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:40 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:46 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Dude is a regular nutcase criminal turned killer. He killed that kid in NJ on a car jacking / mugging and fled the state where he committed 3 other murders trying to get money.
Ali Muhammad Brown
Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:52 pm to mmcgrath
So the fact that he's claimed that this was in response to the United States involvement in the middle east should just be ignored then?
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:08 pm to Vols&Shaft83
well you know, when a psychotic kid shoots others in a public place, it's a sign of a major national issue
but when a similar psychopath who happens to claim to be a radical muslim does it, it's an isolated event that we shouldn't look into
Note: i think most of these incidents (but likely not the one in Canada) are psychos who found solace in the pathologies of radical islam, similar to how other troubled people find motivation in all sorts of things that lead to these incidents
but when a similar psychopath who happens to claim to be a radical muslim does it, it's an isolated event that we shouldn't look into
Note: i think most of these incidents (but likely not the one in Canada) are psychos who found solace in the pathologies of radical islam, similar to how other troubled people find motivation in all sorts of things that lead to these incidents
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