re: More Obama "executive privilege" issued for Fast and Furious info requests

And people still come here and defend this creep.

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I thought Bush started this.

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Wrong. A similar program existed under W's administration.

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Why wouldn't they want to throw Bush under the bus?

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They've tried that, but it hasn't stuck. MSM have largely ignored it when that didn't work.

I am really disgusted at the dragging of feet and lackadaisical attitudes of R's in relation to this obvious attempt to curtail Constitutional Right's, especially when so many lives have been lost as a result. It is disgusting that political motives intended for these weapons to be used in crimes, including the very real likelyhood of murders, for a chance to bn more here. Itwillnever happen, nut those involved should go to jail for a very long time and pay restitution to the dozens and dozens of families whose loved ones were murdered as a result of this program.

2 questions:

1. 2nd Amenders argue gun control doesn't stop criminals from getting guns. They'll find a way to get them. If that's true, wouldn't these Mexican thugs have guns to kill these people even if the laws had been enforced and those straw purchases blocked?

2. If 2nd Amenders want no gun control laws, isn't it disingenuous for those who believe that to argue these gun control laws should have been enforced and it's the sale of these guns that are responsible for these murders?

I mean it seems you're making an argument for gun control here.

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The truth is, while the program might be dumb, it's been done in the past by the prior administration as an attempt to track and get to the bad guys.

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Except they actually made a good faith effort to track the guns. There were technical problems, and it was shelved.

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Only when the prior administration did it, it was just dumb.

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Kind of dumb, yes. Poorly executed, certainly.

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When this administration did it, it's a plot to get public support to pass gun control

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Sadly, I'm pretty sure this is true.

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The same reason Sandy Hook was staged.

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This is a very small minority of nuts - far fewer than crazy lefties who think 9/11 was an inside job - I'll wager a solid 10 to 15 percent of the hardcore leftist 40% of the country believe that to a certain degree. That's A LOT of nuts. Millions.

A rational person can accept that it was a terrorist attack, and then politically disagree with the nature and extent of the Bush (43) administration's response.

Likewise a rational person can accept that the Sandy Hook shooting was the act of a mentally ill individual and that the Obama administration attempted to exploit the tragedy for political ends.

Ditto for Fast and Furious - one of the Democrat arguments for gun control is that legally purchased U.S. guns end up in cartel hands. That was an obvious consequence of Fast and Furious. It is not a stretch to assume that the political decision was, "Well, the worst that could happen is that they end up in the wrong hands and we get more support for gun control."

Not a stretch at all - in fact, I believe that was a hoped for outcome. Now, they didn't want a border patrol agent killed, but he was killed due to their incompetence, nonetheless.

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1. 2nd Amenders argue gun control doesn't stop criminals from getting guns. They'll find a way to get them. If that's true, wouldn't these Mexican thugs have guns to kill these people even if the laws had been enforced and those straw purchases blocked?

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They wouldn't have gotten them from a legally ran business in the U.S.. Like they did when the U.S. Government pushed them into their hands.

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2. If 2nd Amenders want no gun control laws, isn't it disingenuous for those who believe that to argue these gun control laws should have been enforced and it's the sale of these guns that are responsible for these murders?

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Being a U.S. citizen to purchase guns isn't really gun control laws. In this case, the individuals were not citizens and were known drug cartel members, and known to have taken part in violent crimes.. in some instances even known to have murdered. Yet the Obama machine went ahead and gave them whatever weapons they wanted, in the hopes they would show up in crimes in the U.S. and they could say.. look.. this is why we need "sensible" gun control. The Obama administration is directly responsible for the murder of a U.S. border patrol agent, as well as at least dozens of others across the border. Over 2500 firearms made their way into criminals' hands and they are showing up in crimes more often now.

Seems to me, your support of people who not only condone, but help perpetuate murders in the name of political gains is what you're arguing.