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re: Should the USA do away with the electoral college?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:06 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:06 pm to WeeWee
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If included in the Constitutional amendment to do away with it included very strict voter fraud regulations
So let me get this straight.
We get rid of the electoral college - and in return hundreds of thousands of eligible Democratic voters become unable to vote.
Hmmmm..
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Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:07 pm to WeeWee
I don't have a problem with the Maine and Nebraska models, the so-called Congressional District Method.
I think it would retain the original spirit of the Constitution, maintain and incentive to fight for every state and force the candidates to spread out and not focus on 6 to 10 key states every cycle.
You would see similar phenomena in hotly contested districts, but they're scrapping for individual electors at that point.
It would be great to see them sweat and see Republicans have to scrap for votes in Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans, as well as Dems have to slug through more conservative areas of California, New York and Illinois.
I think it would retain the original spirit of the Constitution, maintain and incentive to fight for every state and force the candidates to spread out and not focus on 6 to 10 key states every cycle.
You would see similar phenomena in hotly contested districts, but they're scrapping for individual electors at that point.
It would be great to see them sweat and see Republicans have to scrap for votes in Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans, as well as Dems have to slug through more conservative areas of California, New York and Illinois.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
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in return hundreds of thousands of eligible Democratic voters become unable to vote.
If voter fraud regulation would keep them from being eligible, I don't really think they are eligible in the first place.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:11 pm to SpidermanTUba
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eligible
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:16 pm to Ace Midnight
I think they should since it would be most advantageous to the Democrats. All you need to do is get the vote out in the top 20 cities. Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, Boston and so on become important. You would see much higher turnouts among blacks in Atlanta, in addition to Detroit and Chicago and Latinos in Houston and San Antonio would turn out to vote since their vote would matter more and you could get more Democrats elected at the state level.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 7:46 pm to genro
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I've always wondered why the proponents of scrapping the electoral college don't have any beef with the makeup of the Senate. The fact that Montana and Rhode Island have Senate representation equal to New York and California has vastly greater consequence but no one seems to notice.
"The Great Compromise 1987"
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/A_Great_Compromise.htm
We're covering this type of material this semester, and I just love learning about our history. This POS2041 class was within my major track so I took it. Plus, I wanted a better understanding to why, how, and who decided things within our government. Figured this would help me on my way to becoming a better USA citizen, and I'm so glad I decide to take this course.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:04 pm to WeeWee
No, but I'd be ok if they did away with a winner take all for each state. I would have it where the winner of each state would get two votes but the congressional district votes would go to whomever won each district. Just my two cents.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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If voter fraud regulation would keep them from being eligible, I don't really think they are eligible in the first place.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:27 pm to TigernMS12
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What exactly is the advantage of an electoral college over a simple whoever gets the most votes wins?
I agree but I assure you as a republican the OP doesn't want a simple vote count.
They want to carve up special districts in a way that allows the Republican candidate to win without getting the most votes.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:36 pm to genro
quote:Just because NYC is the largest city doesn't mean it has the largest population of swing voters.
That changes over time, according to battleground states.
Without the EC, it would never change. They would campaign in NYC forever, and never leave.
And population centers change over time too.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:44 pm to Iosh
quote:Correct, but they should never decide the President for the rest of such a large country of 50 states. The fact that they change over time does not alleviate the problem in the slightest. If society trends toward urbanization, it can be said to make it worse. I guess I conflated that concept with others' concerns about battleground states. Really, eventually, there would be no need for campaigning at all.
And population centers change over time too.
quote:Dude, that's bad. From my perspective. New York keeps getting bigger and they dont change their minds? Are you agreeing with me?
Just because NYC is the largest city doesn't mean it has the largest population of swing voters.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:45 pm to Iosh
Unfortunately, our Congressional disricts are gerrymandered bigtime in many states. We do not need to go to the Maine-Nebraska system for that very reason UNLESS states will turn over reapportioning to independent agencies/commisions made up of demographers and not elected legislatures.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:55 pm to WeeWee
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Not really. Look at the map of Ohio of Colorado in the last 2 elections. Most of the state geographically red but the cities voted blue and the dems won.
Look at Louisiana, Georgia, Texas and Missouri then.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:55 pm to WeeWee
No Rush.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:56 pm to catholictigerfan
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nope. Electoral college makes it so where the big cities can't control everything.
This. If anything, more representation needs to to rural areas.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:02 pm to WeeWee
No
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:07 pm to WeeWee
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the electoral college?
Their football team sucks.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:12 pm to WeeWee
Only if you want California and new York to run the country
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:02 pm to Iosh
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Just because NYC is the largest city doesn't mean it has the largest population of swing voters.
Swing vote is irrelevant. The idea would be to focus on the top 5 to 10 most populated states for each side to get as many of their voters there out to vote because the combined population of those few areas is 1/3 to 1/2 of all citizens. Putting a lot of effort into fewer areas that have more people would make much more sense than putting less effort in a far wider region for far fewer people. Those living outside the East Coast, Great Lakes, Cali or Texas would find themselves relegated to the role of 2nd class citizens.
The President isn't just the President of the high population centers, he's the President of the entire country. Due to their size and financial clout, it's easy for them to crowd out the lower-populated areas. The President is the President of the entire country, not just the population centers. With that, there needs to be an incentive for a President to pay attention to these areas that would, without the EC, be more likely to be permanently relegated to 2nd class citizen status.
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