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re: British gov't promises to do anything it can to get an NFL team in London
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:23 am to Diddles
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:23 am to Diddles
4 pages and nobody sees the forest for all those damn trees in the way
If british government is on board :
#1 Tata Motors owns the Jaguar brand and the company is headquartered in England so you have a built in brand and a name that keeps the Jacksonville Brand in place.
#2 Tata also owns the Land Rover brand which are some pretty sweet high end vehicles as well. Players could have free use of Jags and Rovers while playing overseas. Would certainly be a nice perk
#3 Just as Canadian hockey players play for US teams, so could US players play in Europe
#4 Jaguar has royal warrants with the royal family. This may not be a big deal here, but it is there
#5 If the government says it will do anything, it would not surprise me if special tax relief provisions are crated to deal with tax issues for americans playing / living part time in England
#6 Having a built in corporate tie in from day one should appeal to the NFL and the owners as it could mean the same for co marketing not seen since the Steelers were a 24 / 7/ 365 advertisement for US Steel.
The past
The future?
If british government is on board :
#1 Tata Motors owns the Jaguar brand and the company is headquartered in England so you have a built in brand and a name that keeps the Jacksonville Brand in place.
#2 Tata also owns the Land Rover brand which are some pretty sweet high end vehicles as well. Players could have free use of Jags and Rovers while playing overseas. Would certainly be a nice perk
#3 Just as Canadian hockey players play for US teams, so could US players play in Europe
#4 Jaguar has royal warrants with the royal family. This may not be a big deal here, but it is there
#5 If the government says it will do anything, it would not surprise me if special tax relief provisions are crated to deal with tax issues for americans playing / living part time in England
#6 Having a built in corporate tie in from day one should appeal to the NFL and the owners as it could mean the same for co marketing not seen since the Steelers were a 24 / 7/ 365 advertisement for US Steel.
The past
The future?
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Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:54 am to tween the hedges
quote:1. It wouldn't be 8 times.
What player would sign for a team that has to make a transatlantic flight 8 times a season
2. What players want to sign to play in the city of Jacksonville? Not many
Posted on 10/23/14 at 7:25 am to Cheese Grits
I can dig it
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:08 am to tigerpimpbot
quote:
Congress needs to do whatever it takes to get a Premiere League team in America.
No...
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:10 am to Brummy
First thing they would need to do is massively change their taxing laws.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:24 am to Brummy
This is bullshite. As a huge follower of the Barclays Premier League, I would hate for there to be an American team.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:25 am to Brummy
The only problem I have with this is the travel for west coast teams.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:08 am to gatorrocks
quote:
The only problem I have with this is the travel for west coast teams.
How often does Seattle play Miami?
The time difference is a bigger issue. 7 hour difference between London and the west coast.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I never really understood why fans are so against it.
it's going to happen whether y'all like it or not
I mean, you don't have to think it's the greatest idea or be all about it, but I think it would really interesting, like it or not.
If it works, great. If it fails, cool we get to bash Goodell or whoever the commish is for the collosal failure. Win win.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:05 am to Celery
quote:The NFL team would have the competition of 31 other AMerican NFL teams.
Their soccer teams don't seem to have trouble attracting international talent with mega salaries. Anyone know how that works?
If you're an American in soccer good enough to play overseas and get paid, there's not as much competition from MLS in terms of the pay and the quality of the league.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:09 am to Jcorye1
quote:Or change em just for NFL players on that team, they did promise to do anything to get the team.
First thing they would need to do is massively change their taxing laws
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:15 am to shel311
Why I am against it? Well, it does not make sense to have a team that far away.
It is a massive competitive disadvantage. I would bet the house that the London team would absolutely blow every season unless they landed an Andrew Luck type.
The London team would have to be operated under a much higher salary cap because of the significant differences in the tax rates. I have no issues with how England taxes its citizens, but the players would not want to go from a 37% tax rate to whatever it is in England. You would have to adjust that team's salary cap.
My big issue was work permits, but it appears that England wants to work with the NFL on that.
There are just so many hurdles that have to be overcome. As of now, the NFL has a perfec nimble of teams and the perfect set-up for divisions. It is just a terrible idea all around. It will make the league unbalanced.
It is a massive competitive disadvantage. I would bet the house that the London team would absolutely blow every season unless they landed an Andrew Luck type.
The London team would have to be operated under a much higher salary cap because of the significant differences in the tax rates. I have no issues with how England taxes its citizens, but the players would not want to go from a 37% tax rate to whatever it is in England. You would have to adjust that team's salary cap.
My big issue was work permits, but it appears that England wants to work with the NFL on that.
There are just so many hurdles that have to be overcome. As of now, the NFL has a perfec nimble of teams and the perfect set-up for divisions. It is just a terrible idea all around. It will make the league unbalanced.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:17 am to shel311
False. If you are an American star, then you will get more in the MLS. Michael Bradley is making $6 million a year for Toronto FC in the MLS. I believe he was making between $2 and $3 million at AS Roma (in Rome).
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:27 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Word, never woulda guessed that, that's what I get for assuming lol.
False. If you are an American star, then you will get more in the MLS. Michael Bradley is making $6 million a year for Toronto FC in the MLS. I believe he was making between $2 and $3 million at AS Roma (in Rome).
I also did mention the quality of competition though, i think that point stands.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:32 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
There are just so many hurdles that have to be overcome. As of now, the NFL has a perfec nimble of teams and the perfect set-up for divisions. It is just a terrible idea all around. It will make the league unbalanced.
If they really wanted to make it work, there would be an entire division of 4 teams in Europe (say Barcelona, London, Paris, and Munich, for example). That would cut the number of transatlantic flights down per team tremendously. They then also make it a rule that no American team has to play 2 Europe teams in Europe in the same regular season. Their preseason games can all be against one-another.
It could work, but it would mean 4 cities losing NFL franchises, unless they somehow add teams.
Imagine a league with 2 conferences with 6 divisions of 4 teams each. You eliminate the 1st round bye and you still get 2 wild card teams in the playoffs.
Basically, the NFL ends up with 48 teams playing for 16 playoff spots instead of 32 teams playing for 12 spots.
That way, the teams could shape up like so:
New division in Europe (Jags go East)
New teams in San Antonio, Las Vegas, Vancouver, Mexico City, and 1 team in either Montreal, Ottowa, or Quebec.
Bills go north to Toronto
Raiders or rams go to LA
It could work.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:49 am to shel311
Of course, the quality of competition is better in top European leagues. The Premier League in Great Britain is arguably the most desirable to play in the world. The NFL does not have this type of competition, so it is not really comparable.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:13 am to Vicks Kennel Club
An NFL team in London is happening.
It IS happening, whether people like it or not.
And they will have NO PROBLEM getting players to go there.
If you were a young single multi-millionaire athlete, where you rather be- some shithole city like Green Bay or Buffalo, or LONDON???
It IS happening, whether people like it or not.
And they will have NO PROBLEM getting players to go there.
If you were a young single multi-millionaire athlete, where you rather be- some shithole city like Green Bay or Buffalo, or LONDON???
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:19 am to SportsGuyNOLA
I think parliament will give the players some sort of tax exemption to help grease the wheel. The tax rate there is silly.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 12:02 pm to tigerpimpbot
Tax...
You have be domiciled in the UK or you don't pay UK income tax, I'm not sure an NFL team would be if they only played 8 weeks a year. I think it has to be over 100 days spend in the country and earning a wage. But let's assume the players do pay UK tax rates.
Here's the breakdown
The tax is 40% over $50k and 45% over $200k (approx). There are marginal rates between $15k and 50k. How does that compare to living in California?
Fed income tax is 33% over 189k for a single person. There's also 2.2% income tax in California. And that rises to 40% over $406k. So Frank Gore pays 40- 42.2% tax on most of his earnings. In the UK he'd pay 45%, hardly a back breaker.
what does that extra 2% get you? Well it gets you free comprehensive health insurance. No deductible, no out of pocket bullshite maximum to hit. All facilities are in network. All prescribed drugs are prior authorized and cost no more than approx $10. All museums are free, which is a pretty big deal in London. Presumably the NFL would compensate the London based players the amount it costs to provide their american counterparts with insurance...
You have be domiciled in the UK or you don't pay UK income tax, I'm not sure an NFL team would be if they only played 8 weeks a year. I think it has to be over 100 days spend in the country and earning a wage. But let's assume the players do pay UK tax rates.
Here's the breakdown
The tax is 40% over $50k and 45% over $200k (approx). There are marginal rates between $15k and 50k. How does that compare to living in California?
Fed income tax is 33% over 189k for a single person. There's also 2.2% income tax in California. And that rises to 40% over $406k. So Frank Gore pays 40- 42.2% tax on most of his earnings. In the UK he'd pay 45%, hardly a back breaker.
what does that extra 2% get you? Well it gets you free comprehensive health insurance. No deductible, no out of pocket bullshite maximum to hit. All facilities are in network. All prescribed drugs are prior authorized and cost no more than approx $10. All museums are free, which is a pretty big deal in London. Presumably the NFL would compensate the London based players the amount it costs to provide their american counterparts with insurance...
Posted on 10/23/14 at 12:20 pm to Mephistopheles
If this happens the NFL needs to tap into those behemoths in Norway, Holland, Finland, etc. if you watch the World Strongest Man competition there's some big sonsabitches up in Scandinavia land, can you imagine a NFL line of those. muthas
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