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re: ESPN article on Kobe, "Destroying the Lakers"
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:20 am to shel311
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:20 am to shel311
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Read it again, the Lakers had a plan to pitch Howard. If true, Kobe showed up in shorts and a t-shirt and made a terrible pitch to keep the best center in the game. That's on Kobe. Just because you don't like Howard doesn't make it any less of a pretty huge misstep on Kobe's part.
How can you read that and not see that Howard is a crybaby?
He complained about people not liking him and blaming him and cried b/c his teammates didn't back him up when they didn't realize he was such an insensitive little bitch. That's something a 10 year old says, not an adult.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:22 am to TeddyPadillac
You really are clueless.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:30 am to sicboy
I this article is kind of amazing. Detailing the Kobe effect on both small time players and star free agents.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:42 am to sicboy
Your hate for Kobe doesn't allow you to see how stupid Dwight sounds saying that.
I like watching Kobe, well use to, but i'm not going to say he's some great guy. I know he's a dick, i know he's the reason the Lakers have been sucking. But this example with baby Dwight and backup Sessions were poor attempts at proving that.
the fact that LeBron and Melo didn't even consider playing in LA proves that point much better.
We'll see after next year when Durant goes into FA and doesn't consider LA either, but i bet if LA said, if you come, we'll get rid of Kobe, he'd listen, as would have Lebron and Melo.
I like watching Kobe, well use to, but i'm not going to say he's some great guy. I know he's a dick, i know he's the reason the Lakers have been sucking. But this example with baby Dwight and backup Sessions were poor attempts at proving that.
the fact that LeBron and Melo didn't even consider playing in LA proves that point much better.
We'll see after next year when Durant goes into FA and doesn't consider LA either, but i bet if LA said, if you come, we'll get rid of Kobe, he'd listen, as would have Lebron and Melo.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:46 am to TeddyPadillac
Regardless of what Sessions has become now, I think it's telling that a young player would rather backup for the lowly Bobcats than to start for the Lakers.
I don't hate Kobe at all, and I'm not the biggest Howard fan. But if you're looking for a reason to stay with a team and you have an "intimate" meeting with the team leadership, you don't get why that would be a big question Dwight would want answered? And being thrown under the bus wasn't exclusive to him, as the article points out.
I don't hate Kobe at all, and I'm not the biggest Howard fan. But if you're looking for a reason to stay with a team and you have an "intimate" meeting with the team leadership, you don't get why that would be a big question Dwight would want answered? And being thrown under the bus wasn't exclusive to him, as the article points out.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:51 am to TeddyPadillac
There is not a fair opinion in this thread. Every poster either loathes Kobe or Howard, so their decision has been made before reading the article.
For the record, I think Howard is immature, but I also have worked with huge assholes, and it can ruin any great job, especially when the a-hole is calling all of the shots. No pun intended.
For the record, I think Howard is immature, but I also have worked with huge assholes, and it can ruin any great job, especially when the a-hole is calling all of the shots. No pun intended.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:54 am to sicboy
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I think it's telling that a young player would rather backup for the lowly Bobcats than to start for the Lakers.
He's a mediocre player that took more money and a longer contract. That was an easy decision for him that had nothing to do with Kobe.
Seems like Kobe hurt Dwights feelings b/c he didn't coddle his cock when he asked that pussified question like Nash did. All i got from that is that Dwight cares more about himself than winning and that Kobe's mindset is to try to win championships which is what he was trying to convey to him, even though i think Kobe's the reason they aren't going to b/c he's just not good enough anymore and he's not a team player.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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How can you read that and not see that Howard is a crybaby?
Seems like both Kobe and Dwight handled it poorly.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:59 am to buckeye_vol
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Seems like both Kobe and Dwight handled it poorly.
i agree, if i hadn't said that yet.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:59 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:That's just deflecting from the point, it's irrelevant. The Lakers had a plan, Kobe, if true, did not listen to that plan and did his own thing. THAT is the point.
How can you read that and not see that Howard is a crybaby?
If we want to talk about the long list of Dwight Howard shortcomings, that's fine. But this thread isn't directed towards that.
quote:Yea yea, cause 10 year olds are the ONLY ones who would feel slighted in a team environment when the guy who deserved the least blame was getting all the national shame. I'm sure you'd handle that like a champ, too!!!
He complained about people not liking him and blaming him and cried b/c his teammates didn't back him up when they didn't realize he was such an insensitive little bitch. That's something a 10 year old says, not an adult
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:09 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:He's run off every great player he's been paired with, as well as coaches. He cares about himself, period. He wants to win IF AND ONLY IF he has the spotlight. He's not willing to share the spotlight even if its means a title. I've said for many years now, Kobe has single-handedly ruined the Lakers.
To be a top level athlete, failure isn't an option. It's why a lot of greats don't know when to hang it up.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:11 am to shel311
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Yea yea, cause 10 year olds are the ONLY ones who would feel slighted in a team environment when the guy who deserved the least blame was getting all the national shame. I'm sure you'd handle that like a champ, too!!!
When your brought in to win a championship, and you get paid like he does, you have to expect the blame regardless if it's yours or not when your not winning.
You think Carmelo doesn't get blame in NY, or any QB that makes 15+million, or Boozer back when he first came to the Bulls? Dwight's a superstar and his team wasn't performing well. I think the blame should have been more on the coach and GM for making stupid pickups, but you can't cry just b/c you're getting the blame. suck it up and keep working.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:14 am to TeddyPadillac
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When your brought in to win a championship, and you get paid like he does, you have to expect the blame regardless if it's yours or not when your not winning.
You sound as if Kobe wasn't there. Again, missing the point. Kobe is constantly dodging any of the blame for their bad play, conveniently getting it deflected on someone else. Team sport, so shoulder some yourself. Kobe won't do that, and that would be impossible to deal with.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:41 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Ok but again, this is all just deflecting from the main point of Kobe doing whatever he wanted and not sticking to the Lakers plan in that meeting.
When your brought in to win a championship, and you get paid like he does, you have to expect the blame regardless if it's yours or not when your not winning.
You think Carmelo doesn't get blame in NY, or any QB that makes 15+million, or Boozer back when he first came to the Bulls? Dwight's a superstar and his team wasn't performing well. I think the blame should have been more on the coach and GM for making stupid pickups, but you can't cry just b/c you're getting the blame. suck it up and keep working
quote:In fairness, Kobe wasn't getting any blame.
When your brought in to win a championship, and you get paid like he does, you have to expect the blame regardless if it's yours or not when your not winning.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:59 am to ZereauxSum
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He has always been a dick, but now that he's probably no longer an elite player, no one will put up with that ish.
No one wanted to play with him when he was in his prime either. Name a free agent star that wanted to come to the Lakers.
It took the genius of Jerry Buss to finagle deals to get decent players in trades. I can't think of any good players that were willing to come on their own volition.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:00 am to forksup
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Yeah, you've got to sort of feel for Jim Buss. He's giving them what they want though
That seems to me the real problem. Nobody respects Jim Buss so they won't give him the authority he needs. If he had the authority he needs, he could have pushed Kobe to accept less money with the threat that Buss might amnesty him.
Kobe's going to Kobe and there's not much you can do about it. But when the fan base and key figures like Magic Johnson are enabling Kobe, it dis-empowers Buss and leads to the situation you currently have.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:03 am to maine82
Also as an addendum to that, if people felt it was Buss in charge, unlike the present situation where it appears no one is in charge but Kobe gets his way, maybe more people would be willing to come to the Lakers.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:55 pm to WestCoastAg
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you think the Lakers beat Boston in 2010 with Trevor ariza or Ron artest?
Ariza and he's a better matchup against taller scorers (like Kevin Durant). Artest didn't make the Lakers better and aged them quicker
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I'm having a tough time coming up with young talent that the Lakers let go who went elsewhere and are now having at least a role playing role. All I can think of is Ramon and josh mcroberts
those two as well sasha and shannon brown. Both had enough skill to be better players than what they are thought of now.
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ultimately totally botched everything to do with Andrew Bynum.
I'm incredibly curious about this one
having him ride the bench early, not putting him on a proper fitness/diet plan, dangling him in trades, not keeping Kareem around, the rehab on his first two injuries. I believe that the Lakers approach to Bynum ultimately led to what Bynum became. Of course to their credit, acquiring Pau was a brilliant move.
The Lakers haven't developed a player into full potential since Bryant and Fisher. Randle will be the first all-star level talent they've had as a young player since Bynum. How his career unfolds will speak volumes about the Lakers abilities to develop players in today's NBA.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:41 pm to RonBurgundy
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Artest didn't make the Lakers better
Except when he did in 2010 and his performance won them the war that was game 7
quote:where is he now?
sasha
quote:what has he done since leaving LA?
shannon brown
quote:so the Lakers botched Andrew bynum when he was considered the second best center in the league his last few years in LA and the second they traded him, he fell apart? That's botching?
having him ride the bench early, not putting him on a proper fitness/diet plan, dangling him in trades, not keeping Kareem around, the rehab on his first two injuries. I believe that the Lakers approach to Bynum ultimately led to what Bynum became. Of course to their credit, acquiring Pau was a brilliant move
quote:and Andrew who was an all star
The Lakers haven't developed a player into full potential since Bryant and Fisher
quote:agreed
How his career unfolds will speak volumes about the Lakers abilities to develop players in today's NBA
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 3:42 pm
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