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The Drew Brees critiques and criticisms
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:02 pm
Its how amazing how quickly fans turn on a franchise player that literally raised a team from the dead. Yes, Brees lost this game for us with that pick and has made HORRIBLE decisions this year.
however, do we really think it is a one man problem? I'll point to everyones favorite: Tony Romo. his o-line has been absolutely atrocious in the past. His stats and play suffered from that severely. Everyone crucified the guy for it. Fast forward to his line being absolutely dominate. He can now play to the caliber that was expected of him and he looks like the best he ever has.
The Saints and Brees are the exact same story only in reverse. We had THE best line in the beginning of the Brees/Payton era. We absolutely massacred teams due to that. The line has been in decline for years and Brees play has showed that. Look at Manning in the Super Bowl last year. He is the best QB to play the game (imo) yet his line got destroyed in the big game and he was awful.
how can so many people be so narrow minded as to think this falls only on Brees? Would you honestly rather us have a rookie qb or a FA instead? he still gives us the best shot to win. period.
however, do we really think it is a one man problem? I'll point to everyones favorite: Tony Romo. his o-line has been absolutely atrocious in the past. His stats and play suffered from that severely. Everyone crucified the guy for it. Fast forward to his line being absolutely dominate. He can now play to the caliber that was expected of him and he looks like the best he ever has.
The Saints and Brees are the exact same story only in reverse. We had THE best line in the beginning of the Brees/Payton era. We absolutely massacred teams due to that. The line has been in decline for years and Brees play has showed that. Look at Manning in the Super Bowl last year. He is the best QB to play the game (imo) yet his line got destroyed in the big game and he was awful.
how can so many people be so narrow minded as to think this falls only on Brees? Would you honestly rather us have a rookie qb or a FA instead? he still gives us the best shot to win. period.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:03 pm to BlacknGold
The answer to your thread is that the Saints are good enough to be 5-1 RIGHT NOW if Brees doesn't make 3 horrible decisions.
The end zone pick in Atlanta
The pick 6 in Cleveland
The interception yesterday
We are at least 4-2 if Brees doesn't throw those three interceptions. Maybe 5-1. With the best record in the NFL (and of course there's a certain element of shitty luck in there. The passes didn't HAVE to be intercepted. They could have been dropped or tipped in a different direction).
So it's not like we're the fricking Washington Generals - we are 3 plays away from having the best record in football. Brees has to wear that - especially when he's eating up 1/7th of the entire franchise's salary cap.
The end zone pick in Atlanta
The pick 6 in Cleveland
The interception yesterday
We are at least 4-2 if Brees doesn't throw those three interceptions. Maybe 5-1. With the best record in the NFL (and of course there's a certain element of shitty luck in there. The passes didn't HAVE to be intercepted. They could have been dropped or tipped in a different direction).
So it's not like we're the fricking Washington Generals - we are 3 plays away from having the best record in football. Brees has to wear that - especially when he's eating up 1/7th of the entire franchise's salary cap.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:08 pm to SirWinston
its easy to point to the one play after the fact. and as I mentioned before, Brees has cost us games from his horrible decisions. However, how much is that coming from his inept line play? He no longer has time to sit and wait. hes rushed almost every play.
I also dont like that "one play away from" bullshite. nearly every team can do that logic. it doesnt change anything. if so, it wouldve been a one game issue and then fixed.
look at our last drive with a chance to win the game. the line was blown up every snap. brees had to run for the first down. when was the last time that happened? before the bye, holder harped on Evans. things havent gotten better.
I also dont like that "one play away from" bullshite. nearly every team can do that logic. it doesnt change anything. if so, it wouldve been a one game issue and then fixed.
look at our last drive with a chance to win the game. the line was blown up every snap. brees had to run for the first down. when was the last time that happened? before the bye, holder harped on Evans. things havent gotten better.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:10 pm to BlacknGold
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its easy to point to the one play after the fact.
It's not after the fact. I pretty much said "Jesus, that might cost us the damn game" after every single one of the plays that I mentioned. This isn't some minor "hindsight is 20/20" schtick - this is your franchise QB killing you game after game with the defining bad moment of the game.
The Atlanta interception clearly cost us 3 points (at least)
The Browns interception clearly cost us 7 points (at least - we had a good drive going so it may have been a 10 or 14 point swing)
The Lions interception clearly cost us 7 points
We lost the Atlanta game by 3 points
We lost the Browns game by 2 points
We lost the Lions game by 1 point
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:13 pm to SirWinston
Brees is not the only one with turnovers in our losses. robinsons fumble seems to be nonexistent any more.
also our defense giving up a "go ahead" 75 yd touchdown was pretty awful. having 3rd down stops to get off the field only to have a penalty called and give them the first.
its not on one play.
not even my point of this. with a better o-line, we would probably see the Brees we are used to. he NEEDS time and protection. he is not young enough to be a russel wilson and scramble out and make a play. its not his style
also our defense giving up a "go ahead" 75 yd touchdown was pretty awful. having 3rd down stops to get off the field only to have a penalty called and give them the first.
its not on one play.
not even my point of this. with a better o-line, we would probably see the Brees we are used to. he NEEDS time and protection. he is not young enough to be a russel wilson and scramble out and make a play. its not his style
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:14 pm to BlacknGold
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:16 pm to SirWinston
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The Browns interception clearly cost us 7 points (at least - we had a good drive going so it may have been a 10 or 14 point swing)
It's well-documented that this was not Brees' fault. It's the nature of the beast when you throw to big receivers; when you throw it high so only they can get it, you run the risk of a high safety being in exactly the right place at the right time. He was also being pressured as he threw. If Brees threw it away or took the sack every time he was getting pressured, we'd be looking at 32nd in total offense.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:17 pm to BlacknGold
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robinsons fumble seems to be nonexistent any more.
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also our defense giving up a "go ahead" 75 yd touchdown was pretty awful.
These were both awful plays. The defense also played an awful 2nd half in Atlanta. But Drew Brees is a top 20 NFL player of all time. You don't often see a player of his caliber making these really bad blunders week after week after week. Hell, he did it vs Tampa as well.
He's become Farve or Romo in a down year. It's one thing to have Tom Brady frick up one game every 2 years with a really bad pass. Or Aaron Rodgers. It rarely happens. Brees was regarded to be in the same class as Brady/Manning/Rodgers but he's no longer worthy of that classification IMO. He's in the next level down now with Wilson, Rivers, Romo.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:18 pm to SirWinston
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doesn't make 3 horrible decisions.
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The pick 6 in Cleveland
That one was not a horrible decision
Graham was open, and he should have had time to throw it.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm to SirWinston
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Romo in a down year
again refer to the o-line differences to see how things compare.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm to SirWinston
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But Drew Brees is a top 20 NFL player of all time.
Easy there, Big Fella..
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm to SirWinston
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It rarely happens. Brees was regarded to be in the same class as Brady/Manning/Rodgers but he's no longer worthy of that classification IMO. He's in the next level down now with Wilson, Rivers, Romo.
You're putting a Super Bowl MVP QB who statistically runs the board on pretty much all categories, year after year, in the same boat as the complete opposite? That's loony sir.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm to bountyhunter
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It's well-documented that this was not Brees' fault. It's the nature of the beast when you throw to big receivers; when you throw it high so only they can get it, you run the risk of a high safety being in exactly the right place at the right time. He was also being pressured as he threw. If Brees threw it away or took the sack every time he was getting pressured, we'd be looking at 32nd in total offense.
Disagree. It was a risky throw into multiple coverage that didn't need to be made. It was first down, not some desperation situation (he made that exact same pass to JG in the 49ers playoff game that turned into a long TD but that was a desperation situation).
Was it extremely unlucky that the pass turned in to a tip/pick 6? Hell yes it was unlucky. But it was also a ball that should be thrown away and you live to play a 2nd and 10 with a running attack that had just gashed the Browns for like 6, 8, 14 yards on consecutive plays.
ETA - I was wrong about this - bad post and I misremembered how open JG was.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:19 pm to LCA131
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Easy there, Big Fella..
Why?
It is a pretty easy argument to put him in the discussion
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:21 pm to SirWinston
Best post I've seen on here in awhile. I'm a huge Brees fan but those three decisions have been so costly.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:21 pm to bountyhunter
Drew Brees frankly hasn't even played as well as Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, or Phil Rivers this year (actually neither has Brady). I'm actually giving him the benefit of the doubt.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:22 pm to TigerBait1127
Brees is not a top 20 player of all time. hes not even top 5 QB of all time.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:22 pm to SirWinston
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. It was a risky throw into multiple coverage that didn't need to be made.
What?
He was wide open. WIDE OPEN. He had his man beat by yards, and the safety was 5 yards back.
Brees stepped up with no pressure and the guy broke free on his blindside.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:23 pm to TigerBait1127
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It is a pretty easy argument to put him in the discussion
Fine. Put him in the discussion. Hell, put Ryan Leaf IN the discussion. He stated he IS a top 20 OAT...I think differently.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:23 pm to SirWinston
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Disagree. It was a risky throw into multiple coverage that didn't need to be made.
This has been a staple pass of the Brees-Payton offense since it's inception. If they don't take those chances we aren't nearly as successful as we have been, IMO.
I agree it wasn't a do-or-die situation being on 1st, but this type of play has been positive more than it has been negative.
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