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re: PFF Stats of Game #6
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:53 pm to Hoodoo Man
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:53 pm to Hoodoo Man
You can also say 1 bad quarter doesn't offset 3 great quarters of play.
Take it with a grain of salt, we know who were the culprits yesterday and this shows if you were right/wrong. Most of the time, they agree what you see and the score.
Pass protection was good enough for the first 3 quarters and then went into full derp mode in the last quarter, and scores reflect that.
Take it with a grain of salt, we know who were the culprits yesterday and this shows if you were right/wrong. Most of the time, they agree what you see and the score.
Pass protection was good enough for the first 3 quarters and then went into full derp mode in the last quarter, and scores reflect that.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:41 pm to Hoodoo Man
Drew held onto the ball way too long a bunch of times yesterday making the pressure numbers look worse than they needed to be. Sadly, he is a big part of the problem with OL pressures. He is taking too long to make decisions and that was his strength in years past. Now he's making horrible decisions and taking way to long when he makes good ones.
Still, the OL has been mediocre, and that has as much to do with Ingalls replacing Kromer as anything else.
Still, the OL has been mediocre, and that has as much to do with Ingalls replacing Kromer as anything else.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:52 pm to Hoodoo Man
good stuff, Hoodoo
...Lofton was everywhere yesterday...glad the PFF scores reflect that. He was playing very strong the first couple of games as well...he needs to put that together more consistently
...Lofton was everywhere yesterday...glad the PFF scores reflect that. He was playing very strong the first couple of games as well...he needs to put that together more consistently
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:08 pm to Geauxgurt
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Sadly, he is a big part of the problem with OL pressures. He is taking too long to make decisions and that was his strength in years past. Now he's making horrible decisions and taking way to long when he makes good ones.
How can you be wrong about so many things?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:13 pm to TigerBait1127
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How can you be wrong about so many things?
So you are telling me he hasn't been holding on to the ball way too long at all? I never said he is the sole or main reason, but the fact is that the higher pressure numbers also come from his slower decision making this season. It's pretty obvious to anyone watching the game.
This doesn't mean the OL isn 't bad or an issue, but the fact is that it isn't just them that is making this thing worse.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:14 pm to Geauxgurt
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So you are telling me he hasn't been holding on to the ball way too long at all?
The numbers tell that actually
Time to Throw (lower means he's getting rid of it faster)
2014 - 2.6
2013 - 2.72
2012 - 2.73
2011 -2.64
Time to Sack
2014 - 3.24
2013 - 3.72
2012 - 3.62
2011 - 3.34
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It's pretty obvious to anyone watching the game.
Guess it isn't too obvious. He also has the lowest sack % in the NFL despite being 7th in pressures
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:19 pm to TigerBait1127
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2014 - 2.6
2013 - 2.72
2012 - 2.73
2011 -2.64
Time to Sack
2014 - 3.24
2013 - 3.72
2012 - 3.62
2011 - 3.34
Again, on average he's been fine and the OL mediocre, but pressure is one thing while forcing stupid throws is another. Did I say he was a bad QB? No. I think he's still a legit top 10 even top 5 QB if he eliminates the bone head mistakes.
He reminds me of Favre in the latter years. Favre played great and avoided mistakes like crazy, but still made his bone head play at the worst possible time (NFC CG). Did that mean Favre sucked? No. It did mean that he made a huge mistake, which is similar to what Brees has done multiple times this season.
The OL again is a big culprit here, but Brees is as much to blame in many cases for the struggles.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:27 pm to TigerBait1127
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He also has the lowest sack % in the NFL despite being 7th in pressures
And also has the 3rd most INTs. His INTs have also been costly.
Detroit - 1 INT leads to a TD.
Cleveland - 1 INT leads directly to a TD (Pick 6)
Tampa Bay - 2 INTs lead to a TD and a 3rd is the end of regulation.
Atlanta - 1 INT lead to a TD
Dallas - 1 INT lead to a short TD drive
So yeah, it makes a difference.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:33 pm to Geauxgurt
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Again, on average he's been fine and the OL mediocre, but pressure is one thing while forcing stupid throws is another.
That isn't what you said. You said this:
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but the fact is that the higher pressure numbers also come from his slower decision making this season.
When he's actually getting rid of the ball faster than ever yet is still seeing the most pressures of his career.
Then followed it up with this gem:
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It's pretty obvious to anyone watching the game.
So he's getting sacked quicker than ever while getting rid of the ball quicker than ever
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And also has the 3rd most INTs. His INTs have also been costly.
You've cracked this case.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:16 pm to TigerBait1127
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So he's getting sacked quicker than ever while getting rid of the ball quicker than ever
Again, you are looking at averages, and for the most part he's been fine, but what's happened is that he's had several plays this year that he's held onto the ball too long, especially by his standards.
I never said the OL was bad, but just that Brees has played a serious part in their issues too. I'd like to see how those numbers look at the end of the season too seeing as we are not even half-way through the season yet.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:27 pm to Geauxgurt
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Again, you are looking at averages,
So if he's holding the ball way longer in some situations, that means he is getting rid of the ball way quicker in other situations.
That should lead to a lower overall pressure %, yet that isn't the case.
Also, that isn't what you said.
You're talking about statistical outliers. Even so, that is very, very unlikely with such a drastic drop in the averages.
You're trying to change your argument after I proved it statistically inaccurate anyways.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:29 pm to TigerBait1127
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So if he's holding the ball way longer in some situations, that means he is getting rid of the ball way quicker in other situations.
That should lead to a lower overall pressure %, yet that isn't the case.
Again, I am not defending the OL in this. The middle has been putrid and Brees has done overall a pretty damn good job with that, but he's continually made back breaking mistakes this season and sometimes taking the sack is the best thing to do.
The low sack numbers don't always mean the OL is bad nor does it mean they are good. Same for Brees. He's made some mistakes that just make you go WTF, because he's been so good at not making them, but on the road the past 2-3 seasons he's done that consistently.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:45 pm to Geauxgurt
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Again, I am not defending the OL in this. The middle has been putrid and Brees has done overall a pretty damn good job with that, but he's continually made back breaking mistakes this season and sometimes taking the sack is the best thing to do.
I don't disagree, but that would actually mean holding onto the ball longer
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but on the road the past 2-3 seasons he's done that consistently.
Since 2007, he averages .85 ints at home and 1.16 on the road.
From 2012-today, he's averaging .78 ints at home, and 1.1 ints on the road.
If you take out the atlanta game, he's averaging .78 ints at home and .89 on the road.
2009: 4 to 7
2011: 6 to 8
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:53 pm to TigerBait1127
Do you have his pass protection time from 2006-2010?
His sack numbers were REALLY low most of those years and I was curious how the release time+time to sack are:
18 in 2006
16 in 2007
13 in 2008
20 in 2009
25 in 2010
24 in 2011
26 in 2012
37 in 2013
His sack numbers were REALLY low most of those years and I was curious how the release time+time to sack are:
18 in 2006
16 in 2007
13 in 2008
20 in 2009
25 in 2010
24 in 2011
26 in 2012
37 in 2013
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:59 pm to htran90
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Do you have his pass protection time from 2006-2010?
PFF doesn't go back that far unfortunately.
He's really done a good job of not fumbling.
2009: Lost 6 fumbles
Combined 2010-2014: Lost 6 fumbles
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:50 pm to TigerBait1127
If Brees is holding onto the ball too long on certain plays, then that suggests our receivers are not getting open, right?
Hate to say it, but Sproles was great at getting open.
Separately though, I wish Brees would take a few sacks.
Punting is a million times better than turning the ball over, for many reasons.
Hate to say it, but Sproles was great at getting open.
Separately though, I wish Brees would take a few sacks.
Punting is a million times better than turning the ball over, for many reasons.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:14 pm to Hoodoo Man
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then that suggests our receivers are not getting open, right?
Cooks is great at getting open. 34 receptions on 42 targets is pretty sick. 5th in catch % at 81%.
Kenny Stills just came back, but his catch rate is also crazy high at 83.3%, ranking 3rd.
Colston is 81st at 56.8%
Meachem is 110 at 26.7%
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:29 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:I'm not sure that stat proves that he's getting open.
Cooks is great at getting open. 34 receptions on 42 targets is pretty sick. 5th in catch % at 81%.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I'm not sure that stat proves that he's getting open.
It is a pretty good indicator. Almost identical #'s to Sproles receiving last year
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