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re: 9 Avengers Rumors Including One Dealing with Ryan Gosling
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:24 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:24 pm to TigerMyth36
I dig the Suicide Squad, but what is their future in a DCU Earth?
At least the Guardians have the luxury of not being in the same area code of Hulk,Iron Man and Cap.
Suicide Squad will be in Superman's earshot.
At least the Guardians have the luxury of not being in the same area code of Hulk,Iron Man and Cap.
Suicide Squad will be in Superman's earshot.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:26 pm to RonBurgundy
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I dig the Suicide Squad, but what is their future in a DCU Earth?
At least the Guardians have the luxury of not being in the same area code of Hulk,Iron Man and Cap.
Suicide Squad will be in Superman's earshot.
I think SS was one of the best announcements, it's just a bit too early. And again, it's too much of the "dark to be dark," tone. DC needs the Flash, stat. (Although that casting is rough).
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:30 pm to TigerMyth36
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The Dark Knight Returns.
You keep busting on this. Are you the lone person who hated DKR? Everyone loved it when it came out.
I'm kind of with OML on this one on the basis of TDKReturns as a STARTING Point. It worked in the books because it was a commentary on Batman, on superheroes, on all that good stuff after 60 years of history. Plunking down the same themes this early? It isn't a bad choice, it's just odd and seemingly a weaker jumping off point. Snyder whiffed on the meta-commentary in Watchmen, there's a good chance he misses the core TDKR themes as well.
World's Finest was far and away a better story-line to use.
Risky is the best word to describe it, not bad. Like MoS, if they don't get the narrative right it could fall apart.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:58 pm to TigerMyth36
whoops disregard
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:03 pm to Freauxzen
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It worked in the books because it was a commentary on Batman, on superheroes, on all that good stuff after 60 years of history.
but it was the first real gritty take on all of it. im not sure i agree that you need jovial and light hearted first to be able to do this. thats like saying Nolan's vision should not have worked because he didnt explore the other side of Batman first.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:12 pm to OMLandshark
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I liked Cavill, but not Adams. She's not horrible, but Amy Adams is no Lois Lane. Wait until Jennifer Lawrence turns 30, and that's Lois Lane.
After watching the Veronica Mars series recently I think Kristen Bell probably would have worked really well as Lois.
Of course, one of my biggest problems with MOS was how ridiculously easy it was for Lois to find Clark. Her role was just not written very well. They probably should have gone with Lana Lang like Amazing Spider-Man did with Gwen Stacy and saved Lois for the next movie. It would have made far more sense for her to figure out he had been going around the world saving people than it did for Lois to somehow sneak onto his ship, get shot, saved, and then follow the missing worker's history to Smallville. Considering the US military can't figure it out even though there was a fricking battle there and he told the general he was from Kansas its a little bit beyond dumb that Lois was able to pull this off in a few short weeks.
Hell, Zod killing Lana could have even be the driving force behind Superman killing him. It could have lead to all kinds of guilt issues for Supes to deal with that could explain why he tries to save EVERYONE and has a no kill rule. Oh well.
Long story short, Adams wasn't given much to work with.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:15 pm to BlacknGold
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but it was the first real gritty take on all of it.
Eh, not really. There was gritty before TDKReturns.
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im not sure i agree that you need jovial and light hearted first to be able to do this.
Never said that.
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thats like saying Nolan's vision should not have worked because he didnt explore the other side of Batman first.
Nolan's version worked because: Nolan. The exception, not the rule. And I think the issue people have is that many weren't impress by the "dramatic" side of MoS. Hence for a shift in tone.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:17 pm to Freauxzen
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Snyder whiffed on the meta-commentary in Watchmen, there's a good chance he misses the core TDKR themes as well.
And by "good chance", you mean virtual certainty. I've made no secret of my deep loathing of Zach Snyder, and asking him to bring anything but cool camera angles and girls in sexy costumes seems beyond his skill set. You don't hire Snyder to direct if you want a film with meta-commentary. Or a coherent plot. Or decent characters.
To make this a larger DC/Marvel discussion, which has been rehashed a billion times, DC's strength is not its comic universe. Marvel has always been better about having one "Marvel Universe". DC has some classic characters that even non-comic readers know and love, but their best books work on their own, not as an interconnected web. Even JLA has always seemed like a forced "all-star" team an not something organic. But DC's strength is their unique standalones they can do/have done:
Watchmen
Swamp Thing
New Gods
Dial H
Animal Man
V for Vendetta
Y: The Last Man
f'n SANDMAN
DC's problem right now, true or not, is that they seems that they are just trying to copy what Marvel has done without any real reason other than "Marvel did it". instead, they should think about what their actual plan is, and maybe do what they did in comics: be the brand you trust for "non-canon" works. No need to shoehorn Sandman into the Superman-verse.
Oh, and if the new Batgirl comic is the success I think it's going to be, they should move quickly to turn this version of Batgirl into a movie.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:29 pm to Baloo
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And by "good chance", you mean virtual certainty. I've made no secret of my deep loathing of Zach Snyder, and asking him to bring anything but cool camera angles and girls in sexy costumes seems beyond his skill set. You don't hire Snyder to direct if you want a film with meta-commentary. Or a coherent plot. Or decent characters.
Well yeah. Wasn't going to go there. I actually think Dawn of the Dead was quite good. Watchmen had its merits but none of that had to do with the commentary. It had a good look. quote:
Even JLA has always seemed like a forced "all-star" team an not something organic.
It SEEMS like their model going forward will make the JLA like that, though.
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But DC's strength is their unique standalones they can do/have done:
Watchmen
Swamp Thing
New Gods
Dial H
Animal Man
V for Vendetta
Y: The Last Man
f'n SANDMAN
I actually agree with that, but those are so drastically different they can't even begin to occupy the same universe.
And yes, I want a Swamp Thing film, no doubt.
Used to watch the old show.
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DC's problem right now, true or not, is that they seems that they are just trying to copy what Marvel has done without any real reason other than "Marvel did it". instead, they should think about what their actual plan is, and maybe do what they did in comics: be the brand you trust for "non-canon" works. No need to shoehorn Sandman into the Superman-verse.
It's even more complicated than that. It's like they want to do what Marvel does, but they don't want to look like they do. So they do things just slightly different. They still want to create a shared universe, actually 3 of them (or 4), but still want to be different. But the same. But it's an ALien prequel. But it's not.
Simply put: Goyer
I will say, however, concerning the slate of non-canon comics, regardless of how good those movies COULD be, they'd never reach mass cultural appeal, hence they'd never make 7 billion dollars. That's what DC/WB sees and wants. Animal Man and Y and even Swamp aren't going to get you there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:36 pm to Baloo
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DC's problem right now, true or not, is that they seems that they are just trying to copy what Marvel has done without any real reason other than "Marvel did it". instead, they should think about what their actual plan is, and maybe do what they did in comics: be the brand you trust for "non-canon" works. No need to shoehorn Sandman into the Superman-verse.
"True or not"?
The complaints that I've seen so far are about DC not being Marvel enough. That Arrow and Flash are separate from the movie Justice League. Gotham isn't linked to Batman V Superman. Constantine isn't linked to Justice League Dark or Justice League itself (since they've already hinted at JLA member Doctor Fate).
Which is it? Do they suck for copying Marvel or do they suck for going their own way?
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:44 pm to Freauxzen
Look, I think Marvel is so popular right now, they should really start mining the back corners of their universe for the truly weird, fun stuff. That's why GotG was so successful: it's a blast. But could you imagine a Damage Control TV series or, be still my heart, a Great Lakes Avengers "indie" film?
I know it looks like Marvel is building up to Civil War, which would be pretty cool, and that should be their primary focus. But I like the detours. There should always be room for the bizarre, quirky stuff that isn't going to make billions of dollars. DC though has even better detours.
I know it looks like Marvel is building up to Civil War, which would be pretty cool, and that should be their primary focus. But I like the detours. There should always be room for the bizarre, quirky stuff that isn't going to make billions of dollars. DC though has even better detours.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:01 pm to Dr RC
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After watching the Veronica Mars series recently I think Kristen Bell probably would have worked really well as Lois.
If she weren't pregnant, I bet Marvel would have already cast her as Jessica Jones.
She's basically a superpowered version of Veronica Mars.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:02 pm to Baloo
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And by "good chance", you mean virtual certainty. I've made no secret of my deep loathing of Zach Snyder, and asking him to bring anything but cool camera angles and girls in sexy costumes seems beyond his skill set. You don't hire Snyder to direct if you want a film with meta-commentary. Or a coherent plot. Or decent characters.
This was my biggest beef from the jump. Snyder is a terrible choice to helm your franchise's universe. Period.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:05 pm to Baloo
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Look, I think Marvel is so popular right now, they should really start mining the back corners of their universe for the truly weird, fun stuff. That's why GotG was so successful: it's a blast. But could you imagine a Damage Control TV series or, be still my heart, a Great Lakes Avengers "indie" film?
Agree. GLA would be awesome. I've also wanted Wonder Man and Moon Knight for a loooonnngg time. If anyone could make a better solo film than Deadpool, it's ole Multiple Personality disorder himself.
Maybe not on the big screen, but it would be interesting for them to film some weird one shots and see if anything catches on. Instead of using one shots to preview upcoming movies, use them to explore these weird corners, and if one takes off, go with it. Even if you have to recast or something, getting the idea out there might be worth it.
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I know it looks like Marvel is building up to Civil War, which would be pretty cool, and that should be their primary focus. But I like the detours. There should always be room for the bizarre, quirky stuff that isn't going to make billions of dollars. DC though has even better detours.
Agreed.
But most of Marvel's detours are still "in Universe," they can fit within the whole; they are branches off of the same route. I think the difficulty with DC is that those detours aren't detours at all, but completely different roads.
I've said something similar in these threads and been hammered for it: All DC is setting us up to do is get 3 different versions of the Bat family, 2 Flashes, 2 Arrows, potentially Kryptonians in 3 different universes, etc. Rather than silo things off we just get repeats. Bruce in Gotham, Grayson in his own series and Bruce again in JLA. It's just not cool. Why essentially three versions of the Bat family? Why not a Swamp Thing somewhere? (And this is coming from a big Dick Grayson fanboy.)
I mean I get what they are going for, but there are better choices.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:10 pm to Baloo
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they should really start mining the back corners of their universe for the truly weird, fun stuff.
I'm anxious to see if the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe, Squirrel Girl, makes it into the Netflix series. The connections are there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:10 pm to TigerMyth36
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You keep busting on this. Are you the lone person who hated DKR? Everyone loved it when it came out.
It's my absolute favorite Batman comic storyline. It's incredible and would love to see a straight-up live action version of it. But in a film where you not only introduce Batman, but also want to begin a gigantic dozen movie franchise, it is just about the worst comic storyline you can go with.
In Nolan's "The Dark Knight Rises", it makes perfect sense to use that as a major source when writing the script, and if Ledger had been alive, I think it would have taken even more from it. It was the end of Batman and summarizing his legacy. Returns goes great with that. But when you use it to introduce Batman for multiple films, I think its clear that Goyer and Snyder don't know WHY that comic is so good and effective. I just don't see how you can effectively do that comic and make it the start of a franchise and not the end. If this was the grand finale, I'd like that they were going with that, but it's not. They're the ones who keep bringing it up, and it really boggles my mind that they're using this comic that much for inspiration.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:14 pm to Dr RC
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Of course, one of my biggest problems with MOS was how ridiculously easy it was for Lois to find Clark. Her role was just not written very well. They probably should have gone with Lana Lang like Amazing Spider-Man did with Gwen Stacy and saved Lois for the next movie. It would have made far more sense for her to figure out he had been going around the world saving people than it did for Lois to somehow sneak onto his ship, get shot, saved, and then follow the missing worker's history to Smallville. Considering the US military can't figure it out even though there was a fricking battle there and he told the general he was from Kansas its a little bit beyond dumb that Lois was able to pull this off in a few short weeks.
Hell, Zod killing Lana could have even be the driving force behind Superman killing him. It could have lead to all kinds of guilt issues for Supes to deal with that could explain why he tries to save EVERYONE and has a no kill rule. Oh well.
Never thought about this, but you're spot on. Amy Adams could certainly pull off Lana Lang and would be a great choice, and it would make sense for her to be tied with this story. It makes really no sense for Lois to, and puts a wrench in basically anyone with common sense. Maybe have Zod read Superman's mind and then go after Lana when he refuses to cooperate. Seems like that would have been more effective than to just have Lois there for really no reason. I can't fathom what she was doing on that bomber, and would have been more effective to have Superman try to save both Lana and destroy the Kryptonians.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:35 pm to OMLandshark
My Lois would have black hair, blue eyes, and would be the smartest person in the movie. Her weakness would be her overbearing passion for her work and her cause to use journalism as a way of helping others and righting wrongs.
She should be a near-superhero in her own right.
That's what makes her a match for Superman.
Amy Adams was close to the mark.
I can live with her being the one person to deduce who Clark is, but I do wish they'd made it seem a bit more difficult for her to do so.
She should be a near-superhero in her own right.
That's what makes her a match for Superman.
Amy Adams was close to the mark.
I can live with her being the one person to deduce who Clark is, but I do wish they'd made it seem a bit more difficult for her to do so.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:37 pm to Baloo
Sup everybody. Long time no see. I got married, so that explains that.
I just gonna jump in and say a few controversial things that might ruffle some feathers.
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2. The first Captain America sucked, I couldn't even finish it. But this second one was actually really good. Pleasant surprise.
3. How was A Dame to Kill For?
4. I'm sick of comic book movies. Really, Catwoman? Wow. Just stop
5. LSUs offense is the most boring offense that I've ever seen. It's hard to watch. Look, if you want Harris to be the guy, just put him in and let him struggle. We are going to suck anyway, so let him get some quality experience. I'm fine being crappy this year, but at least let some good come from it.
6. If the first 30 minutes of the pilot episode of Gotham is any indication of how good the show is going to be then it's going to suck. Good lord.
7. "Michael Squints Palledorous walked a little taller that day. And we had to tip our hats to him. He was lucky she hadn't beat the *crap* out of him. We wouldn't have blamed her. What he'd done was sneaky, rotten, and low... and cool. Not another one among us would have ever in a million years even for a million dollars have the guts to put the move on the lifeguard. He did. He had kissed a woman. And he had kissed her long and good. We got banned from the pool forever that day. But every time we walked by after that, the lifeguard looked down from her tower, right over at Squints, and smiled."
I just gonna jump in and say a few controversial things that might ruffle some feathers.
1.
2. The first Captain America sucked, I couldn't even finish it. But this second one was actually really good. Pleasant surprise.
3. How was A Dame to Kill For?
4. I'm sick of comic book movies. Really, Catwoman? Wow. Just stop
5. LSUs offense is the most boring offense that I've ever seen. It's hard to watch. Look, if you want Harris to be the guy, just put him in and let him struggle. We are going to suck anyway, so let him get some quality experience. I'm fine being crappy this year, but at least let some good come from it.
6. If the first 30 minutes of the pilot episode of Gotham is any indication of how good the show is going to be then it's going to suck. Good lord.
7. "Michael Squints Palledorous walked a little taller that day. And we had to tip our hats to him. He was lucky she hadn't beat the *crap* out of him. We wouldn't have blamed her. What he'd done was sneaky, rotten, and low... and cool. Not another one among us would have ever in a million years even for a million dollars have the guts to put the move on the lifeguard. He did. He had kissed a woman. And he had kissed her long and good. We got banned from the pool forever that day. But every time we walked by after that, the lifeguard looked down from her tower, right over at Squints, and smiled."
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Sup everybody. Long time no see.
Welcome back.
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I got married, so that explains that.
Boof finally said yes!?!
Congratulations
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2. The first Captain America sucked, I couldn't even finish it. But this second one was actually really good. Pleasant surprise.
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6. If the first 30 minutes of the pilot episode of Gotham is any indication of how good the show is going to be then it's going to suck. Good lord.
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