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re: Very Important Week Regarding Ebola in the US
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:49 pm to Gmorgan4982
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:49 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:You? No. You're gonn die.
Posted by Gmorgan4982 So there's a chance I'll make it through the Ebola crisis alive?
I'll be fine though.
Sorry.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:50 pm to Scruffy
I knew it!! Damn Obama!! Who is a Republican I can vote for in the upcoming election thingy? I need to save the world before I kick the bucket.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:51 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
I have heard rumors only.
Those rumors are a week old
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:00 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Let's review.
There seems to be a definite possibility that she was symptomatic a day or two before she flew back to Dallas.
quote:
Professor Peter Piot co-discovered the Ebola virus as a 27-year-old researcher in 1976. He is now director of the prestigious London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and was previously executive director of the United Nations' HIV/AIDS programme UNAIDS.
"I wouldn't be worried to sit next to someone with Ebola virus on the Tube as long as they don't vomit on you or something. This is an infection that requires very close contact," said Piot this summer.
quote:Let's repeat Frieden's definition of "symptoms":
Later in the hearing, Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) noted that there is "great confusion" because the temperature threshold for Ebola has gone down from 101.5 degrees to 100.4 degrees. He mentioned that Thomas Eric Duncan's temperature was 100.1 degrees when he first came to the emergency room and spiked to 103 degrees 24 hours later.
Frieden also conceded that someone could have symptoms of Ebola without having a fever >100°F, but said the person would be so sick he would barely be able to walk.
"The person would be so sick he would barely be able to walk."
Now then, is it your impression Vinson was so sick she could barely walk?
Yet Frieden is now implying she might have been contagious.
See the problem?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:28 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:That is not the definition of "symptom". I was trying to find the right context for you but could not find it in a youtube of the hearing... it may be from another source. When Frieden said that he was referring to the fever of a patient towards the end of the illness before they would die. As a weird phenomena the temperature goes down (as does the viral load) but the damage is done.
Let's repeat Frieden's definition of "symptoms":
"The person would be so sick he would barely be able to walk."
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:49 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
That is not the definition of "symptom".
quote:Do you understand the term "fever"?
As a weird phenomena the temperature goes down (as does the viral load) but the damage is done.
Do you understand Frieden's definition as related to Ebola?
Do you understand Vinson's Tmax24 was 99.5°F?
Are you under the impression 99.5°F reaches threshold described by any CDC standard as "symptomatic"?
WTF are you even arguing now, for God sakes!
That we SHOULD BE PANICKING because an asymptomatic person took a plane ride? Get a fricking grip!
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:17 pm to mmcgrath
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Link please. Because to my knowledge there is no such thing.
I don't have a link but one of my good friends has been working on an Ebola Documentary for over 8 years, he just got back over there a few days ago, and in his daily FB blog he mentioned. I asked him to elaborate and he said I will have to watch the documentary to get more info but he assured me that it 100% is a real thing. He works closely with the CDC and speaks with them daily so I have no doubt it is a real thing, anyways here is his blog post where he mentions it:
quote:
Day 01 - Hands Free
I must have washed my hands two dozen times in chlorinated water and had my temperature checked half those instances. The sweltering humidity didn't help the latter, but I was still within acceptable red flag limits. I wasn't sure what the day would hold, but serendipity brought an unprecedented amount of support.
Accomplishments and observations:
- Luggage will arrive Sunday for Monday pickup. Received $100 for my troubles.
- May have solved the SMS/email issue with the local SIM card in my iPhone.
- Introduced to a number of resourceful contacts regarding local direct and indirect effects of the outbreak.
- Will pickup my filming credentials from the Ministry tomorrow allowing access into the quarantine zones.
- Overwhelmed by the possible directions I can take this story.
- Access to film in the diagnosis lab. Will also get a number of Tyvex isolation suits with accessory gear for my personal use when required.
- Will have my blood analyzed prior to returning home by a PCR test sensitive enough to detect the virus prior to being symptomatic.
- My travel insurance will cover and emergency evacuation if necessary.
- The difference between West Africa's view on Ebola and the Western world (USA, Europe, etc) is denial versus paranoia.
- I have an opportunity here to make a difference in public health education.
- The friendliness and helpfulness of the people I've met is refreshing and inspiring.
- Was labeled as a documentary filmmaker not a journalist--not by my words--like the latter has a negative connotation.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:38 pm to KCT
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Isn't the internet a wonderful thing, asurob? Trolls like you can jump on message boards and lie your asses off. I've never been panicked about the Ebola situation, but hey, why waste time debating with a troll?
Dude.
You were starting multiple threads a day about Ebola.
It reached ludicrous levels. It was pretty clear you were in a panic...after all you weren't using Ebola as another excuse to bash Obama right? ...Right?
quote:
You know, despite the fact that there's probably never been probably a single positive exchange between us, I actually expressed sincere concern for your mother's health problems. I even asked you for an update once, but you were too busy trolling to be concerned with that.
I appreciated that. But our political stances and our personal stances are not the same.
I call out everyone...(including that hot wife of mine) for being a dumb arse politically. Lately you have gotten more then your share of my ...ahem...barrels...
You reached ridiculous levels with Ebola...you weren't alone...you bought the media panic hook...line...and sinker...
you should be embarrassed.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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WTF are you even arguing now, for God sakes!
Dude.
The zombie invasion has been averted.
You can restore your anxiety levels back to prepanic levels.
Seriously, between you and KCT...you guys were out of control this week.
It was absurd.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:50 pm to asurob1
You're simply wrong, asurob. I did start several threads that were Ebola-related, but that's the only point you made which was correct. My primary concern regarding Ebola has been associated with the HANDLING of this situation. Discussion does not equal either fear or panic. I have never felt the least bit of panic regarding Ebola,despite your misguided rantings to the contrary.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:50 pm to trackfan
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I read today that she got okay from the CDC, both before she flew to Cleveland and before she flew back to Dallas. If that's true, perhaps the finger is being pointed at the wrong person.
That part is a little murky. The CDC says she called and reported a temp of 99.5 which isn't really a fever. The CDC considers a 100.4 temp to be a fever capable of spreading ebola. Vinson's family said that Vinson wasn't feeling well at the time of the flight and that she had a higher temp.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:55 pm to lsu480
PCR is indeed incredabily sensitive.
He is still wrong though.
By the time you are assured of having at least one (and ideally more) virus in the tiny (after whatever prep do, they probably use ~40 microliters) blood sample they use, you will be symptomatic.
If that is too technical, how about common sense: why are they waiting till people have symptoms to treat?
For high risk situations such as the nurses who were treating Duncan, especially considering one already became sick, why didn't they test daily or every other day if it can detect before symptoms?
He is still wrong though.
By the time you are assured of having at least one (and ideally more) virus in the tiny (after whatever prep do, they probably use ~40 microliters) blood sample they use, you will be symptomatic.
If that is too technical, how about common sense: why are they waiting till people have symptoms to treat?
For high risk situations such as the nurses who were treating Duncan, especially considering one already became sick, why didn't they test daily or every other day if it can detect before symptoms?
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:05 pm to Volvagia
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He is still wrong though.
No he is not wrong unless the worlds top Ebola experts, who he speaks with daily, are also wrong. He has made over 20 trips to the hot zones over the last 8 years, has calls with the CDC a few times a day, and is currently in the quarantine zones......I am going to take his word over yours on this one.
quote:
For high risk situations such as the nurses who were treating Duncan, especially considering one already became sick, why didn't they test daily or every other day if it can detect before symptoms?
I am sure they did test them daily but its probably not public knowledge. If it was and everyone knew about this test every idiot in America would run to the local ER demanding one.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:06 pm to KCT
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You're simply wrong, asurob. I did start several threads that were Ebola-related, but that's the only point you made which was correct. My primary concern regarding Ebola has been associated with the HANDLING of this situation. Discussion does not equal either fear or panic. I have never felt the least bit of panic regarding Ebola,despite your misguided rantings to the contrary.
How difficult would it have been for you to keep it to 1 thread.
1.
No one needed to see a new Ebola thread each and every time you had a new thought about it.
It was absurd.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:09 pm to Vegas Bengal
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The nurse in Spain has recovered. Wondering why there is no thread here.
Because the name of this thread is
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Very Important Week Regarding Ebola in the US
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:14 pm to Scruffy
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Posted by Gmorgan4982 So there's a chance I'll make it through the Ebola crisis alive?
quote:
You? No. You're gonn die.
I'll be fine though.
Sorry.
Scruffy's in Med School. He knows things.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:30 pm to La Place Mike
There was something over the past weekend (ON THE INTERNET) regarding a women who lived in the same complex as Duncan. She supposedly checked in with symptoms.
Has anyone heard the outcome?
Has anyone heard the outcome?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Obviously I am arguing against your claim that Frieden said that "unable to walk" was a symptom. He was describing something that would be in the end stages of the disease.
WTF are you even arguing now, for God sakes!
quote:I understand all of this. I also understand that the nurse is the only one that can verify her claim of a temp of 99.5. She also claims to have been symptom free over the weekend. However interviews with friends and family members indicate otherwise. I imagine the amount of virus in her blood samples indicated someone who didn't just develop symptoms as well. I am pretty sure that the CDC and local health officials aren't tracking an additional 300+ people for the fun of it.
Do you understand the term "fever"?
Do you understand Frieden's definition as related to Ebola?
Do you understand Vinson's Tmax24 was 99.5°F?
Are you under the impression 99.5°F reaches threshold described by any CDC standard as "symptomatic"?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:42 pm to mmcgrath
On a related not, the anonymous guy at Emory has been released. Another US patient recovers from Ebola
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:44 pm to MoreOrLes
I posted in another thread over the weekend that a person who went to Baylor with "symptoms" and transferred to Presby was released that evening. I think that was the neighbor.
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