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Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:59 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:59 am
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The one thing I don't think folks like Stewart can answer is "How do we fix white privilege?". He admits in the debate that modern white privilege is simply the residue of racist policies half a century ago. You can't legally fix residue of any law.

Even if white privilege exists, it doesn't explain these two stats:

1) A black baby has only a 25% chance of being born to a married women.

2) Blacks, from 1980 to 2011, committed 53% of the homicides in America, despite only making up 14% of the general population.

That first stat, in my view, is the single most embarrassing, shameful, tragic, disgusting stat in the western world, and it has nothing, nada, zilch to do with white privilege. It was a New York democrat in the 1960s who noticed that tragic trend of black fatherless children, and the report he published was spit on by the black community and the democratic party.
Posted by BuckyBadger
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:08 am to
Good to know you liked Billo acknowledging that race and our history of subjugation of black people might have be a factor in determine success.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:14 am to
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Good to know you liked Billo acknowledging that race and our history of subjugation of black people might have be a factor in determine success.
It's a factor that doesn't explain why blacks are not bettering their communities as time passes. In fact, I would say the mindset among blacks that the world is out to get them has been EXTREMELY damaging, because it prevents them from even trying.


But what I can't stand is the word "privilege". Privilege implies that whites actually BENEFIT from black subjugation, when in reality black subjugation did one thing: hurt blacks.


A privilege is a specific exemption or right given to one group over all others. Blacks not being allowed to get loans, own land, etc hurts blacks, but it doesn't "help" whites.
Posted by BuckyBadger
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:19 am to
You are all over the place.

It is also pretty clear you really don't understand what white privilege is.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:21 am to
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It is also pretty clear you really don't understand what white privilege is.
It's a misnomer. The phrase should be "black disadvantage".
Posted by BuckyBadger
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:24 am to
You don't have to keep reinforcing that you don't get it. I've acknowledged it, you've won.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:25 am to
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You don't have to keep reinforcing that you don't get it. I've acknowledged it, you've won.
What don't I get? White privilege implies that white success is predestined at the expense of black folks.

It's a horseshite belief.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 1:26 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:30 am to
By the way, it is racist to make sweeping generalizations about a race, such as "Whites are privileged."
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:32 am to
White privilege is far more than you what you are discussing. Nor does it imply what you suggest.

And then you confirm my point by declaring it is a horseshite belief. Not only don't you get it but it is futile to continue.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:33 am to
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By the way, it is racist to make sweeping generalizations about a race, such as "Whites are privileged."


I'm shocked to now find yourself the victim of racism. When will it ever end!
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:36 am to
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What don't I get? White privilege implies that white success is predestined at the expense of black folks.

It's a horse shite belief.
Clearly you have a masterful grasp of the concept, as taught to you by a basic cable debate between a clown and an a-hole.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:39 am to
Which one is which?
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:47 am to
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Clearly you have a masterful grasp of the concept, as taught to you by a basic cable debate between a clown and an a-hole.


I'm pretty confident that he would have the same results from a combination of Anne Sullivan/Neil Tyson Degrassee/Joe Clark.
Posted by mauser
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:27 am to
If some blacks want to blame their failure on white privilege I'm fine with that. If some whites want to blame their success on white privilege I'm fine with that too.

I know how hard I studied and I know how hard I work and I know how much time I spend with my family and I know how much money I have and save. If some loser wants to call that white privilege I don't care.

Systemic subjugation.

World Star! World star!

Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:37 am to
These are all black problems and I don't care. Now that sounds harsh, but I don't care about things I have zero control over or can have any impact. These are things the black community will have to fix themselves. The government can't fix it for them. White privledge doesn't exists anymore and hasn't for years. Its a myth in the minds of ppl who for whatever reason feel inferior to whites in their own minds. Privileges go to those who are willing to put in the hardwork and create their own.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:46 am to
White privilege is a made up bullshite term by self loathing white liberals who want to make themselves appear to be sympathetic to unsuccessful blacks looking to blame someone else for their failures.

Simple as that.

I ain't buying it.

Am I supposed to feel guilt because I was raised by two parents who gave a shite about my education and taught me morals and ethics so I could succeed in life?

Cause I'm not.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:49 am to
White privilege is the ability to eat at KFC without looking like a stereotype.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 8:04 am to
The reality is that whites and blacks have different socioeconomic backgrounds due to geography, history, culture, etc.

The problem is that America is a majority-ruled democracy that dictates the focus and effectiveness of the gov't. America is majority-white so the problems facing inner-city blacks like violence (thanks drug prohibiton) and crappy public education (thanks unions and lack of school choice)will continue to go unanswered.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 8:11 am to
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1) A black baby has only a 25% chance of being born to a married women.


Your number is slightly lower than CDC stats (28%) but the more important thing is that you are suggesting several things that appear plausible but are in fact simply wrong. Yes, only 28 black kids out of 100 are born to mothers who are married....what this number does not reflect is the difference between the number of kids a married black mother has compared to that of urmarried black mothers....and that number, according to CDC stats is very high....married black women are having substantially fewer babies than they did in the past and black women are marrying at a lower rate. All of this means that the % of black kids born out of wedlock is about what it has been for a couple of generations the number of kids born into such circumstances is lower. We won't see much press about this because it does not imply that black men are irresponsible. The fact is that black people are making the decision not to have the number of kids they once did and married black women are doing so at a much higher rate.

Your number also implies that 75% of black kids do not have a male role model.....again this is a huge problem no doubt but the fact that a child is born out of wedlock does not mean he has no male role model. Black men should correct this regardless. This is difficult to do when your are likely to be unemployed or worse serving a longer prison sentence ( or one at all) because you committed a crime and were black in the process.

White privilege exists. Denying it is ridiculous. What is equally ridiculous is using it as a crutch and an excuse for an individual's faults. Anyone who denies that black people have made some pretty big strides in the last 50 years is simply misinformed or willfully lying.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 8:13 am to
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The problem is that America is


The problem is that people still see race as some character defining trait. It defines people.


As long as race is a source of power, emotion, and control. There will always be some race bitching.

Once we understand we are all Americans, only then will we get out of this hole.
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