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Politicians and evolving positions
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:49 am
Just from my own personal experiences on TD, I know my position on some issues has changed since joining this forum. While I expect that some will always be locked in stone, others have shifted slightly, and some, I've done a complete 180 after hearing sides of the issue that I hadn't previously considered.
I was wondering if others here have experienced the same, and why should we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
I was wondering if others here have experienced the same, and why should we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:02 am to Revelator
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Just from my own personal experiences on TD, I know my position on some issues has changed since joining this forum. While I expect that some will always be locked in stone, others have shifted slightly, and some, I've done a complete 180 after hearing sides of the issue that I hadn't previously considered.
I was wondering if others here have experienced the same, and why we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
Interesting point. My shifts in views have been more gradual (although a complete 180 on some, but even those took some time).
I guess it depends on the issue, for me:
-Gay Marraige: Have always supported/will support, although it's fallen in terms of priorities.
-Gun Control: I've been more against it over the years.
-Foreign Policy: Have really gotten more into the Libertarian line of thinking when it comes to certain issues to a degree, and this board has kinda helped on that
-Drugs: Used to be heavily pro-drug laws, but that's gone 180 quickly, esp. considering some of the prison stats on non-violent offenders. I still wouldn't do drugs, but really not my issue. Credit to this board
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:25 am to SpartyGator
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-Drugs: Used to be heavily pro-drug laws, but that's gone 180 quickly, esp. considering some of the prison stats on non-violent offenders. I still wouldn't do drugs, but really not my issue. Credit to this board
Yes, I've changed my position on weed and how it's prosecuted. I wouldn't have a problem if it were legalized, but I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:26 am to Revelator
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I was wondering if others here have experienced the same, and why we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
Many of my positions have changed over time and I certainly don't blame politicians who do the same. I'd rather a politician be honest about shifting opinion than try to appease both sides on an issue.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Many of my positions have changed over time and I certainly don't blame politicians who do the same. I'd rather a politician be honest about shifting opinion than try to appease both sides on an issue.
I agree. I have a greater appreciation for a politician that honestly says they have had a change in position over time than one that simply pretends to support something they personally don't favor simply for votes.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Many of my positions have changed over time and I certainly don't blame politicians who do the same. I'd rather a politician be honest about shifting opinion than try to appease both sides on an issue.
This, and at least explain their rationale in their switch.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:20 pm to SpartyGator
Interesting perspective from OP
We all change overtime
Some more than others
Getting as much info as possible with any subject/issue is best, I would think. Just in my short time studying Politics lately, The information differs greatly between sources, that's for sure. Plus, the more I come to find out, the more I'm starting to wonder if knowing all this might not be such a great thing. Suppose ignorance is bliss to a degree......lol
We all change overtime
Some more than others
Getting as much info as possible with any subject/issue is best, I would think. Just in my short time studying Politics lately, The information differs greatly between sources, that's for sure. Plus, the more I come to find out, the more I'm starting to wonder if knowing all this might not be such a great thing. Suppose ignorance is bliss to a degree......lol
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:37 pm to SquirrelyBama
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Getting as much info as possible with any subject/issue is best, I would think. Just in my short time studying Politics lately, The information differs greatly between sources, that's for sure. Plus, the more I come to find out, the more I'm starting to wonder if knowing all this might not be such a great thing. Suppose ignorance is bliss to a degree......lol
Before I joined here, most of everything I heard or knew about politics came from likinded people so I never had to consider a different viewpoint. And eventhough I don't agree with lots that's posted here, at least it makes me coinsider information that I was previously never exposed to.
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:57 pm to Revelator
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Before I joined here, most of everything I heard or knew about politics came from likinded people so I never had to consider a different viewpoint. And eventhough I don't agree with lots that's posted here, at least it makes me coinsider information that I was previously never exposed to.
Yep, it's a good thing to search out different opinions and interpretations with things. Gives you the whole picture and I like having this with most subjects if possible, but at the same time. It sure can confuse the heck of me. It's a love and hate relationship kinda thing....lol
I enjoy reading here when there's great discussions going on. Some people here are great with words and give/link OK info at times. Just gotta fight through the garbage(My post...lol) sometimes, but that the case with many things.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:59 pm to Revelator
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I was wondering if others here have experienced the same, and why we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
A one time shift is generally ok, in my book. However, when they continually change back and forth repeatedly depending on public opinion or to whom they are speaking to, I have a problem with it.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:11 pm to kingbob
Yep, seems changing to much would show that a politician was changing to what is popular at any given time. A politician that changes positions like one would change underwear daily makes people wonder how much can we trust this persons words. How do we know what this person really stands for then after so much flipping? I suppose there's a acceptable amount of changing stances and a silly amount of changing stances that will fly within politics. I wouldn't test those waters to much if I were a politician myself.
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:14 pm to SquirrelyBama
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Yep, seems changing to much would show that a politician was changing to what is popular at any given time. A politician that changes positions like one would change underwear daily makes people wonder how much can we trust this persons words. How do we know what this person really stands for then after so much flipping? I suppose there's a acceptable amount of changing stances and a silly amount of changing stances that will fly within politics. I wouldn't test those waters to much if I were a politician myself.
Exactly. Take many democrats' stances on the war in Iraq. They were for it in 2003, against it immediately thereafter, and then were for intervention abroad once Obama was elected, and now are against it when discussing ISIS. You can make a 180, but once you've gone 360, you lose all credibility. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:27 pm to Revelator
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why we give politicians such a hard time for shifting positions over time if we do the same thing?
Because we don't shift positions because of polls. Politicians 'evolve' when they see poll results.
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