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re: Update: all charges dropped against cop-SWAT storm house, kills 7 year old girl
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:11 am to Napoleon
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:11 am to Napoleon
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One day a cop is going to kill another kid or another dog or something and then soon after you will hear a story about that cop being killed soon after. It will happen.
FIFY.
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Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:11 am to cave canem
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Of course there are better ways, but they involve, you know, effort and cancel out the flashbangs.
If I were a cop, I would think going undercover and tailing a bad then making the bust all incognito would actually be me badass than wearing 100 pounds of gear and using 20 guys to raid a 2 BR apartment.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:22 am to LT
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Serious question... Do you consider this murder or an accident?
It's not an accident. Cops and all their supporters can't always scream "trained professionals" when it comes to issues of carrying a gun off duty and everything else then negligently discharge your firearm and kill a kid.
Or in the case of another cop a year or two ago that shot at a fricking snake on a birdhouse and killed a 5yr old boy.
They're fricking dipshits and need to be held to the same standard as every other citizen.
I was a cop, and yes while there are some good ones, the dipshits that I wouldn't want to be responsible for saving my life are rampant throughout many departments, they just don't always get their chance to "shine" like in this case.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:44 am to SG_Geaux
quote:was the guy convicted of murder since this happened?
Does the guy who committed the murder have no responsibility ?
Does the family who harbored him have no responsibility ?
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:47 am to NYNolaguy1
I'd like to see the qualifications for the SWAT officers this department uses. All of the SWAT guys I know have plenty of military experience and are 100% accountable for their guns at all times. Most of them even offer gun training courses. They would not have something like this happen, and their departments don't hire idiots with no experience either.
Guns don't accidentally go off (except for a few rare cases). People pulling the trigger makes guns go off, so he either had his finger on the trigger while going through the house and bumped something, or shot into a room with a young kid in it. Either way, he should be convicted of negligent homicide
Eta: So the grandma grabbed the gun and he just started shooting all over the place? Still negligent homicide. His finger shouldn't have been on the trigger while fighting an old lady. frick, his finger shouldn't be on the trigger fighting anyone for that matter because it will probably go off
Guns don't accidentally go off (except for a few rare cases). People pulling the trigger makes guns go off, so he either had his finger on the trigger while going through the house and bumped something, or shot into a room with a young kid in it. Either way, he should be convicted of negligent homicide
Eta: So the grandma grabbed the gun and he just started shooting all over the place? Still negligent homicide. His finger shouldn't have been on the trigger while fighting an old lady. frick, his finger shouldn't be on the trigger fighting anyone for that matter because it will probably go off
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:47 am to brass2mouth
quote:did he discharge the weapon with the intent to shoot the 7 year old?
It's not an accident
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:51 am to NYNolaguy1
Harboring a fugitive is a felony, correct?
Couldn't the grandparents get charged with the murder of their granddaughter if they were indeed found to be harbouring a fugitive?
Couldn't the grandparents get charged with the murder of their granddaughter if they were indeed found to be harbouring a fugitive?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:56 am to shel311
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did he discharge the weapon with the intent to shoot the 7 year old?
It doesn't matter what his intent was, guns don't just go off on accident, it's because he was negligent that the gun fired.
He has no business being in law enforcement.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:57 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Harboring a fugitive is a felony, correct?
This doesn't even apply, he would have had to be convicted of the murder and escaped. At this point he's just a suspect.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:08 pm to shel311
Using the term accident in this case is a travesty as the events that unfolded or a close approximation were entirely foreseeable to most adults. Whether he intended to kill the kid or not this was definitely not an accident as it was a foreseeable outcome.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:20 pm to cave canem
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Critics of police militarization have pointed to Aiyana's death when looking at ramifications of the increased use of SWAT teams among local law enforcement. They've criticized the nighttime raid and the possible use of excessive force, particularly the use of a flash-bang grenade. An anonymous Detroit official told Mother Jones in 2010 that using the grenade was "not protocol."
Video of the incident looks like they made one hell of a show. Wonder if they amped it up for the film crew.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yeah, it's obvious they spiced it up for the show. As demonstrated by...
Bunch of pros.
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According to Weekley, a fellow officer threw a flash-bang grenade through the window, temporarily blinding him
Bunch of pros.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:41 pm to GEAUXT
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There would have been more than one death if that was my child
Yep, anybody comes in my house that I don't know is getting shot, with or without police shirt on.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Interestingly, the film crew producer pleaded guilty to obstruction for trying to keep the video hush hush.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
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How is the commander of this raid not being held criminally liable- at all?
Really in all these raids that go wrong the commander of the raid and the judge who issues the no knock warrant, assuming he wasn't lied to or given bad information, are the ones who should bear the greatest responsibility. They are the ones who give the go ahead. Those with the greatest authority should have the greatest responsibility.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:15 pm to LT
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Unless Mr. Owens looked like a 7-year old girl...no. A criminal possibly being in a building does not give the police carte blanche to assault innocent people
I meant the fact that the swat team was there. If mr Owens wouldn't have killed the teen there wouldn't have been a cop in the house who couldn't properly handle his weapon. It's a sad, tragic accident, if I read the story correctly.
It was an accidental discharge, correct?
Do the cops have to bust down every door? Can there be another way to do this?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:20 pm to fr33manator
because these military equipped gang members
They had artillery?
Tanks?
Attack helicopters?
I missed that in the write-up.
Ease up on the drama, Meryl Streep.
They had artillery?
Tanks?
Attack helicopters?
I missed that in the write-up.
Ease up on the drama, Meryl Streep.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:43 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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An accident or a mishap is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention or necessity. It usually implies a generally negative outcome which might have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence. Injury prevention refers to activities designed to foresee and avoid accidents.
Accidents of particularly common types (crashing of automobiles, events causing fire, etc.) are investigated to identify how to avoid them in the future. This is sometimes called root cause analysis, but does not generally apply to accidents that cannot be deterministically predicted. A root cause of an uncommon and purely random accident may never be identified, and thus future similar accidents remain "accidental."
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:53 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Do you consider this murder or an accident?
ill go with murder since i consider it gross incompetence to accidentally discharge your firearm.
Yep.
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