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Does having a right to life mean that the government should provide healthcare?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:16 pm
We set up police and armed forces to protect the natural rights of liberty and property (such as coming to a shop owner's aid when a robber is violating property rights), so is it an illogical step to see the government coming to someone's aid when his right to life is being threatened by a bacteria or virus or cancer?
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Introducing: Mediciad
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Geneva convention!
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Does having a right to life mean that the government should provide healthcare?
No.
And there is no "right to life." The Fifth Amendment specifically says that "no person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
It means the government can't kill you unless it goes through the proper judicial process.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
so is it an illogical step to see the government coming to someone's aid when his right to life is being threatened by a bacteria or virus or cancer?
Depends on who is on office. Its 100% government's responsibility to stop all infection if the President is a Democrat.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Does having a right to life mean that the government should provide food and shelter?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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It means the government can't kill you unless it goes through the proper judicial process.
This^^^
You are left to your natural fate and gov can intervene only through a pre defined process.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:37 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:52 pm to The Spleen
That's a pretty stupid meme.
In the early 1980s, we really didn't know what AIDS was, how it was transmitted, where is originated, or how to prevent its spread. Once we figured that stuff out, appropriate responses were made.
We know all that info about Ebola yet are not doing basic things to prevent its spread.
Its comparing two totally different things.
In the early 1980s, we really didn't know what AIDS was, how it was transmitted, where is originated, or how to prevent its spread. Once we figured that stuff out, appropriate responses were made.
We know all that info about Ebola yet are not doing basic things to prevent its spread.
Its comparing two totally different things.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:55 pm to Antonio Moss
Not to mention the gay community for years was completely reluctant to admit that AIDS was a problem.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Posted by Antonio Moss
I don't think I have ever disagreed with anything you posted.
Ever.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
No but it's supposed to guarantee that you're not killed before your life really begins
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Antonio Moss
Early 80's? How about the mid 80's when thousands had died and still nothing from his administration other than homophobic rhetoric from Pat Buchanan?
Yes, which funding and action from his administration could have addressed. Instead they ignored it, for seven years.
You can't defend the indefensible.
quote:
we really didn't know what AIDS was, how it was transmitted, where is originated, or how to prevent its spread.
Yes, which funding and action from his administration could have addressed. Instead they ignored it, for seven years.
You can't defend the indefensible.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:05 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:This.
there is no "right to life." The Fifth Amendment specifically says that "no person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." It means the government can't kill you unless it goes through the proper judicial process.
"Right to Life" means you do not have the right to arbitrarily take the life of another. Just like the government cannot arbitrarily take your life.
It's not an encumbrance that binds the government to give you everything you want. Sorry.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:06 pm to The Spleen
quote:Completely and utterly false, bitch. The administration increased AIDS funding requests from $8 million in 1982 to $26.5 million in 1983, which Congress bumped to $44 million, a number that doubled every year thereafter during Reagan’s presidency.
which funding and action from his administration could have addressed. Instead they ignored it, for seven years.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:06 pm to The Spleen
quote:Hasn't stopped you.
You can't defend the indefensible.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And to say that this proves that Reagan was homophobic is completely wrong, and this one personally hits me close to home.
In 1978 in my county (Orange County), a legislator named John Briggs put forth a ballot initiative named proposition 6, which would have banned gays and lesbians from holding public teaching positions. Reagan's advisers told him to not get involved, but Reagan spoke out loudly against the initiative, and, to the dismay of Briggs, the initiative went from being a sure victory to being defeated in a landslide.
In 1978 in my county (Orange County), a legislator named John Briggs put forth a ballot initiative named proposition 6, which would have banned gays and lesbians from holding public teaching positions. Reagan's advisers told him to not get involved, but Reagan spoke out loudly against the initiative, and, to the dismay of Briggs, the initiative went from being a sure victory to being defeated in a landslide.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's pretty easy to NOT get AIDS.
1) Don't be gay.
2) Don't be a needle druggie.
3) Don't bang slutty skanks.
4) Don't rub your bleeding scabs up against anyone else's blood.
It would also seem pretty easy to NOT get ebola.
1) Do be around anyone with ebola.
Kinda hard to do when the government basically lets people with ebola come to our country.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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And to say that this proves that Reagan was homophobic is completely wrong,
I didn't say Reagan was homophobic. He had people in his administration that were though, and he allowed them to spread homophobic rhetoric. Gary Bauer and Pat Buchanan were and still are extremely homophobic.
Perhaps he was stuck in an awkward position with the rising evangelical wing of the Republican party and he didn't want to lose their support. I don't know, but he didn't take a leadership role in the AIDS epidemic that took hold while he was in office.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:25 pm to The Spleen
Neither did gay leaders. The gay community failed at accepting AIDS.
Not a single American politician made aids a priority early on, which means it was a structural issue.
Not a single American politician made aids a priority early on, which means it was a structural issue.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 1:26 pm
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