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3rd party perspective on Matheny's Game 5
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:32 am
May have been the worst managed baseball game I've ever seen considering what was as stake.
- Subbing out Holliday and Adams
- Bringing in Wacha for a relief appearance in the 9th (hadn't pitched in like 3 weeks I believe?)
- Not going with Rosenthal in that scenario (said postgame that he "couldn't" bring in his closer in a tie game in the 9th on the road)
- Subbing out Holliday and Adams
- Bringing in Wacha for a relief appearance in the 9th (hadn't pitched in like 3 weeks I believe?)
- Not going with Rosenthal in that scenario (said postgame that he "couldn't" bring in his closer in a tie game in the 9th on the road)
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:44 am to okietiger
oh, this again
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:44 am to okietiger
Matheny definitely made some bad calls in all three games at San Francisco.
That said, this series is still going on if St. Louis didn't melt down on defense.
That said, this series is still going on if St. Louis didn't melt down on defense.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:53 am to okietiger
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Not going with Rosenthal in that scenario (said postgame that he "couldn't" bring in his closer in a tie game in the 9th on the road)
what the frick is wrong with some of these guys?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:58 am to okietiger
quote:Do you have a link to that?
Not going with Rosenthal in that scenario (said postgame that he "couldn't" bring in his closer in a tie game in the 9th on the road)
It was obviously a very questionable call, and I found the ESPN article that insinuates he was thinking that exact scenario you just said he said, but I don't see him quoted as saying that.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:02 am to shel311
didnt catch last nights game. i agree going with wacha was iffy but rosenthal wasnt the answer.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:07 am to okietiger
Cards biggest problem as far as the bullpen goes is having shaky people to go to. Matheny made some questionable calls for sure but there weren't exactly easy answers for some of the situations presented
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:20 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Almost as bad of a performance as Matt Williams had for the Nationals.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:38 am to okietiger
To put it in perspective he still owned Don Mattingly so it could be worse.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:20 pm to okietiger
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Matheny, when asked about not using closer T. Rosenthal in 9th: "We can't bring him in, in a tie-game situation. We're on the road.”
As much as I think Matheny has no business being an MLB manager, in terms of baseball strategy he's right on this.
Use your closer in a tie game in the 9th, what happens if in the 10th STL scores two runs? Who then?
But why not Maness in the 9th?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:46 pm to okietiger
Thanks. That's amazing.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:47 pm to Quidam65
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As much as I think Matheny has no business being an MLB manager, in terms of baseball strategy he's right on this.
Why is he right? I mean I don't think Rosenthal is that great so I don't think it's a big deal he didn't bring him in, but say he was a good closer- why would he be right to save him?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:49 pm to Quidam65
quote:Well, first and foremost, you're in the 10th inning, so there's that.
Use your closer in a tie game in the 9th, what happens if in the 10th STL scores two runs? Who then?
Ditch the names of set up guys and closers...your best option should come up in the most important situation. Can't think of many more important situations than 9th inning down 3 games to 1 in the playoffs, and the guy who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks was the best option?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:51 pm to shel311
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Ditch the names of set up guys and closers...your best option should come up in the most important situation. Can't think of many more important situations than 9th inning down 3 games to 1 in the playoffs, and the guy who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks was the best option?
This
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:23 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
What happened to all the Cardinals young arms from the 2013 Postseason?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:28 pm to RedHawk
Miller is in the rotation and threw game 4. Wacha came in and gave up the game winner. Rosenthal has been kind of iffy this postseason, Martinez was available and didn't throw. Joe Kelly is gone, not sure if there's others I'm missing.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:06 pm to KCTigerFan212
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Matheny definitely made some bad calls in all three games at San Francisco.
That said, this series is still going on if St. Louis didn't melt down on defense.
Matheny managed all the games like a high school coach at best. Made zero sense. That said, if Yadi doesn't get hurt, the Cards take both 1 and 2 and are still playing. Cruz looked like an infant behind the plate catching Rosenthal and it cost us the game.
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