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re: Well, it seems that Ebola is airborne, and no...not just within 3 feet - CIDRAP
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:59 am to thetempleowl
Posted on 10/17/14 at 10:59 am to thetempleowl
quote:One major advantage of Hazmat PPE is decontamination can be conducted prior to removal of protection. Significantly reduces risk during declothing.
One should look at the gear used in africa where they treat ebola patients.
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:01 am to CptBengal
Several things to point out
1. They never said it was airborne
2. It cites the same study that in the other thread I highlighted and pointed out where it said that the aerosol was observed from pig to monkey not monkey to monkey
3. It says that a respirator is more effective than a facemask (no shite). It also says that the gear should be appropriate to the stage that the individual is in. I think everyone agrees that the CDC is not perfect and that it and the hospital in Dallas all freaked up and allowed the nurses to be exposed.
4. It never says what long distance is.
1. They never said it was airborne
2. It cites the same study that in the other thread I highlighted and pointed out where it said that the aerosol was observed from pig to monkey not monkey to monkey
3. It says that a respirator is more effective than a facemask (no shite). It also says that the gear should be appropriate to the stage that the individual is in. I think everyone agrees that the CDC is not perfect and that it and the hospital in Dallas all freaked up and allowed the nurses to be exposed.
4. It never says what long distance is.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:01 am to NC_Tigah
quote:seems they'd have this in Africa if nowhere else.
One major advantage of Hazmat PPE is decontamination can be conducted prior to removal of protection. Significantly reduces risk during declothing.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:02 am to Homesick Tiger
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You attacking the poster instead of the post shite is getting old.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:02 am to WeeWee
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1. They never said it was airborne
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It's airborne. It took a plane to get here.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:03 am to CptBengal
After some of the posts you frickers make how does anyone on this board take you guys serious?? Why aren't you guys at the InfoWars forums or something?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:03 am to Homesick Tiger
This is evidently the cdcs recommendations for treating ebola patients.
Laughably ineffective. My real question regarding this ridiculous gaf is doesn't presby have any id docs who actually think?
The virus remains active. I honestly suspect the n95 is fine. However leaving exposed skin means the active virus can still be transmitted. This is known. You don't have to immerse your head into vomit to catch it.
Small particles from coughing can have active virus in it. If they get on something, they can be transmitted to somewhere or someplace where it can gain entry to the body.
The exposed skin was just straight stupid from the cdc. Baffling.
Must be politicians making recommendations over doctors.
One just needs to see the protection used by people in africa taking care of ebola patients to see the extraordinary steps they take to protect themselves.
I figure they have a bit more experience that a politician.
I think they should make the people who made actually released those recommendations treat ebola patients in the gear they suggested was ok.
It is perhaps ok when treating patients who are not really shedding the virus, but when patients are really contagious, those recommendations are a farce.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:04 am to CptBengal
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you're talking about global warming, arent you proggie?
Ha, proggie... no, I'm not a "proggie" and I'm not a global warming adherent, I just think it's funny that you trip over yourself to believe one set of scientists and not another set of scientists. Just makes it look like you have some sort of partisan agenda, that's all.Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:05 am to TigerRad
quote:You don't understand what you're reading. If you think CIDRAP is claiming that airborne transmission is not a risk in a healthcare setting, you should re-read the piece.
CIDRAP has not made claims that "Ebola is Airbone" or that "Ebola [is] Transmittable by Air."
quote:
This commentary in question specifically addressed transmission risk within a healthcare setting and does not address community transmission.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:05 am to UPT
Are they the same scientist?
Same agenda?
Same funding?
Same agenda?
Same funding?
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:06 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
If you think CIDRAP is claiming that airborne transmission is not a risk in a healthcare setting, you should re-read the piece.
quote:
CIDRAP has not made claims that "Ebola is Airbone" or that "Ebola [is] Transmittable by Air."
just quoting their response
I think it all boils down to droplet/particle size which is not specified.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:06 am to UPT
As a scientist myself, I don't blindly believe any other PhD. A good scientist thinks for themself.
Good try but fail
ETA Ebola isn't partisan. Only to the retards that think Obama needs to be protected from the incompetence from the CDC. ..I.e., TT9
Good try but fail
ETA Ebola isn't partisan. Only to the retards that think Obama needs to be protected from the incompetence from the CDC. ..I.e., TT9
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:10 am to thetempleowl
quote:Been there. Done that. Here is a picture of CDC Director Thomas"TOM"Frieden in Liberia.
Must be politicians making recommendations over doctors.
One just needs to see the protection used by people in africa taking care of ebola patients to see the extraordinary steps they take to protect themselves.
I figure they have a bit more experience that a politician.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:14 am to NC_Tigah
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Been there. Done that. Here is a picture of CDC Director Thomas"TOM"Frieden in Liberia.
Holy crap.
You are serious? He goes in wearing that and then has the balls to recommend what he did?
WTF is going on in this world?
And wtf was presby seriously thinking?
Both massive fails.
I say we send him and the presby administration over to treat patients in the gear they recommended the freaking brave nurses use to treat Duncan at his most infectious point.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:15 am to thetempleowl
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You are serious? He goes in wearing that and then has the balls to recommend what he did?
it's laughable how incompetent and irresponsible the CDC has been in this matter.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:18 am to NC_Tigah
I expect another announcement about a THP healthcare worker in the next 24-36 hours, FWIW. Full quarantine for all caring for patients, as well.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:18 am to thetempleowl
Hate to replay here but jesus christ.
If he isn't fired and publicly ridiculed I will be pissed.
It just really pisses me off seeing crap like that.
That is the common sense type of equipment that is needed to be worn. And yes, they need to be sprayed down when leaving a contaminated area. Hell, you should have sprayed them down with diluted bleach. But nope. You can go to the store and buy tons of the stuff, yet they didn't.
Just pisses me off.
If he isn't fired and publicly ridiculed I will be pissed.
It just really pisses me off seeing crap like that.
That is the common sense type of equipment that is needed to be worn. And yes, they need to be sprayed down when leaving a contaminated area. Hell, you should have sprayed them down with diluted bleach. But nope. You can go to the store and buy tons of the stuff, yet they didn't.
Just pisses me off.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:20 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
I do not claim to have extensive understanding of the mutation process for viruses. Honest question. Would the fact that we (U.S. citizens)tend to get immunizations impact how the virus may mutate here?
It seems to me that the virus has been effective in its body fluid transfer form in other parts of the world due to a lack of medical care and isolation protocals. Since it is here in a limited way and faces greater difficulty spreading would this not lead to a greater tendency to mutate?
I'm no panic type of guy. Just curious.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:21 am to thetempleowl
I just want to directly contrast this.
Protective equipment the director of the cdc wore...
The protective equipment worn by MSF...
freaking ridiculous recommendations made by cdc...
Protective equipment the director of the cdc wore...
The protective equipment worn by MSF...
freaking ridiculous recommendations made by cdc...
Posted on 10/17/14 at 11:22 am to CptBengal
quote:
As a scientist myself, I don't blindly believe any other PhD. A good scientist thinks for themself.
Your post history says otherwise.
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