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Can we talk screen pass?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:59 am
So, I'm reviewing the Wisconsin, MSU, Auburn, and Florida replays to chart the actual statistics on our notorious toss dive play (abysmal, by the way)... and I can't help but notice the ineffectiveness of our screens.
Aside from the obvious... that both Jennings and Harris can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn on those things... well, shocker of shocker, there's no deception involved in them, whatsoever. Who's teaching these things? Backing up with the football in your hands while staring at the running back is never going to fool anybody... Look OFF the play... fake pump it to the right or look downfield, for heavens sake, before turning toward the actual target.
Football is not rocket science.
Aside from the obvious... that both Jennings and Harris can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn on those things... well, shocker of shocker, there's no deception involved in them, whatsoever. Who's teaching these things? Backing up with the football in your hands while staring at the running back is never going to fool anybody... Look OFF the play... fake pump it to the right or look downfield, for heavens sake, before turning toward the actual target.
Football is not rocket science.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:02 am to Rex
This is why the open up the offense people are so wrong. We don't have the ability to pull it off.
Oh, and the toss dive is our best play.
Oh, and the toss dive is our best play.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:02 am to Rex
Sometimes I wonder if we even practice passing plays in practice.
Nothing makes me scratch my head more than when I see our offense look lost when we try execute passing plays.
In short, it's not just limited to screen passes and, yes, I agree with you.
Nothing makes me scratch my head more than when I see our offense look lost when we try execute passing plays.
In short, it's not just limited to screen passes and, yes, I agree with you.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:04 am to Rex
It pains me watching every other team being able to pull off a simple screen pass knowing we are somehow unable to execute one.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:06 am to AlxTgr
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Oh, and the toss dive is our best play.
Sure... if results mean nothing to you.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:09 am to Rex
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toss dive play
It's like the short side option with JJ. One DC at the time said it's the one play in LSU's arsenal that is just inches away from breaking a long one every time. We never did but they still had to prepare for it
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:12 am to jonboy
You have to have a quarterback who can throw an accurate 5 yard pass to be able to throw a screen.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:12 am to AlxTgr
quote:
This is why the open up the offense people are so wrong. We don't have the ability to pull it off.
Oh, and the toss dive is our best play.
LOLOLOLOL...and who's fault is this? Bare with me here...lolololol. So let me get this straight, we don't have good enough players to open up the offense? Who are we, Navy?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:13 am to USARMYDasher
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You have to have a quarterback who can throw an accurate 5 yard pass to be able to throw a screen.
I'm sure our quarterbacks can throw a 5 yard pass.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:13 am to bradybones24
quote:Did you see those screen attempts?
LOLOLOLOL...and who's fault is this? Bare with me here...lolololol. So let me get this straight, we don't have good enough players to open up the offense? Who are we, Navy?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:15 am to Rex
rex , it is nice of you to point all this out to our LSU coaching staff But they probaly don't come here so make your self a list of plays to use or not to use and send it to them in c/o LSU football department ,Im sure they will appreciate your incite on college football !
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:16 am to AlxTgr
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This is why the open up the offense people are so wrong. We don't have the ability to pull it off.
We have the ability. We recruit the ability every year. It's the lack of coaching and development that seem to be the constant.
Les is the man, but you need a good or great QB to win it all.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:17 am to SabiDojo
nothing ever comes routine or "easy" with the passing game for LSU.
they should be practicing the same bread and butter plays over and over and over again... pick a few formations and run 3 plays from each of them. I never thought cam's QB's would struggle so much. it doesn't make any sense.
there's also ZERO passes called over the middle and the TE's aren't even a part of the game plan anymore.
Miles is so scared of throwing interceptions that it's affected the offense and the QB's greatly. It's made them super stiff and paranoid.
they should be practicing the same bread and butter plays over and over and over again... pick a few formations and run 3 plays from each of them. I never thought cam's QB's would struggle so much. it doesn't make any sense.
there's also ZERO passes called over the middle and the TE's aren't even a part of the game plan anymore.
Miles is so scared of throwing interceptions that it's affected the offense and the QB's greatly. It's made them super stiff and paranoid.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:18 am to Rex
Not being able to execute a screen pass falls directly on the head coach. Football 101. Why do you seem surprised we cannot execute this?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:19 am to Alumni80
when crowton was at LSU, they used to run a RB middle screen and it was successful.
jimbo used to screen pass the shite out of teams in 2003
jimbo used to screen pass the shite out of teams in 2003
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:22 am to monsterballads
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Miles is so scared of throwing interceptions that it's affected the offense and the QB's greatly. It's made them super stiff and paranoid
There exists a middle ground between 2008 and now, but Les can't seem to figure that out. In 08 it seemed like Crowton expected Lee to operate the offense exactly like Flynn had done the year before, and there were no adjustments made even after the interceptions kept coming game after game. Crowton just called his plays and Lee was supposed to execute them, regardless of how inept they were.
Now, 6 years later, it's obvious Les never wants to experience that again, but basically limiting the passing game to nothing but go routes down the sideline is just as bad if not worse than slinging it around. It's just as hard for the QB's to make a play when they only are allowed 20% of the field to work with.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:23 am to SabiDojo
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Nothing makes me scratch my head more than when I see our offense look lost when we try execute passing plays.
I feel like our offense belongs in the 1950's.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:24 am to monsterballads
It's more than the playcalling. I can't put my finger on it, but you see it.
Calling a timeout and then breaking the huddle with 12 men? Something is not right. It's like our coaching staff and the players are playing telephone and the message is getting all sorts of messed up.
The coaching staff trying to change the play from the sideline with less than 10 seconds on the play clock? Why? The kids are struggling to get the first play communicated. Why change it when you know they won't get it in time?
Stuff like that just makes me wonder.
Calling a timeout and then breaking the huddle with 12 men? Something is not right. It's like our coaching staff and the players are playing telephone and the message is getting all sorts of messed up.
The coaching staff trying to change the play from the sideline with less than 10 seconds on the play clock? Why? The kids are struggling to get the first play communicated. Why change it when you know they won't get it in time?
Stuff like that just makes me wonder.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:27 am to lsuhunt555
It's crazy. I literally hold my breath when we drop back to pass. Wtf is that about? Unless we are recruiting quarterbacks who have NEVER thrown a pass in their entire lives until they get to LSU, I'm assuming the fault lies in the coaching staff.
ETA: Again, I think Les is the man, but he's not above critcisim. You have to be honest about your shortcomings and failures as a coach. If you don't acknowledge your weaknesses, you can't minimize them.
ETA: Again, I think Les is the man, but he's not above critcisim. You have to be honest about your shortcomings and failures as a coach. If you don't acknowledge your weaknesses, you can't minimize them.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 11:43 am
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