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Ebola vs. Enterovirus D68: H2H toll on Americans
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:13 am
Enterovirus D68
Confirmed cases: 691
# of states: 46
deaths: 4
Ebola (Domestic Diagnosis)
Confirmed cases: 4
# of states: 2 (Texas & NY)
deaths: 1
Ebola (Foreign Diagnosis)
Confirmed cases: 4
# of countries: 1 (Liberia)
deaths: 1
Confirmed cases: 691
# of states: 46
deaths: 4
Ebola (Domestic Diagnosis)
Confirmed cases: 4
# of states: 2 (Texas & NY)
deaths: 1
Ebola (Foreign Diagnosis)
Confirmed cases: 4
# of countries: 1 (Liberia)
deaths: 1
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 12:59 am
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:15 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Enterovirus isn't sexy like Ebola though.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:16 am to Scruffy
Scares me, though. I don't want Lil Dojo to become paralyzed and/or die.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:19 am to CtotheVrzrbck
A word on Enterovirus D68: It has been associated with muscle weakness/paralysis in at least 27 children. It is not known as to whether this is temporary or permanent loss in function at this time. Given how some other Enteroviruses work (namely the Polio virus), it's quite possible that we are seeing a (currently, and hopefully always) small group of people with a lifetime of deficits secondary to viral infection.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:19 am to Scruffy
quote:
Enterovirus isn't sexy like Ebola though.
When they give it a cooler name than "D68" it will be.
ETA: Then again, I never thought that o157-h7 would catch on, either.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 12:21 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:20 am to Hopeful Doc
Thanks, HDoc. My anxiety just got a little worse.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:20 am to Hopeful Doc
Give the Ebola some time. It got a late start and will make up ground quickly.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:22 am to SabiDojo
quote:
Thanks, HDoc. My anxiety just got a little worse.
We're talking about 4% of .0002% of the population.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:22 am to Hopeful Doc
quote:Scary stuff.
A word on Enterovirus D68: It has been associated with muscle weakness/paralysis in at least 27 children. It is not known as to whether this is temporary or permanent loss in function at this time. Given how some other Enteroviruses work (namely the Polio virus), it's quite possible that we are seeing a (currently, and hopefully always) small group of people with a lifetime of deficits secondary to viral infection.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:24 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Yeah but Ebola rolls off the tongue much better.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:24 am to Hopeful Doc
Thanks, HDoc. 
I'm always worried about my son's health. Even though he's healthy, big, and strong, I still freak out.
I'm always worried about my son's health. Even though he's healthy, big, and strong, I still freak out.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:25 am to CtotheVrzrbck
quote:
Enterovirus D68
Confirmed cases: 691
# of states: 46
deaths: 4
Death Percentage... 0.6%
quote:
Ebola (Domestic Diagnosis)
Confirmed cases: 3
# of states: 1 (Texas)
deaths: 1
Death Percentage... possibly 100% out of those 3 cases.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not terrified of Ebola. But until it's death percentage drops you can't compare it to the flu, lightning strikes, shark attacks, car accidents, etc.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 12:28 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:28 am to NATidefan
Well just don't get sick in Texas basically. The ones that contracted it in Liberia and were brought back to legit hospitals have survived so far.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:29 am to SabiDojo
quote:
worried about my son's health
That's not a bad thing at all. Just don't let it consume you. There's tons of bad things in the world. You can focus on them and be miserable, or you can look at the positive things that you have and be thankful. You have the choice to take the negative/anxious/positive outlook, and much of how you react to unlikely scenarios is dictated by it. You'll believe it to be subconscious/your personality, but you've got a much bigger say in it than you realize.
In other words, hug your son. When something bad happens to him, then start worrying. Until then, just live happy.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:30 am to Hopeful Doc
Whew. Thanks, Doc.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:32 am to CtotheVrzrbck
quote:
Well just don't get sick in Texas basically. The ones that contracted it in Liberia and were brought back to legit hospitals have survived so far.
I think the biggest thing is that no one had REALLY put money into finding a cure until recently. Now that the threat is to 1st world countries and not only third world countries that has seemed to change the situation drastically...
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:32 am to NATidefan
quote:
Death Percentage... possibly 100% out of those 3 cases.
One of those three is now in "good" condition and is no longer merely "stable." Death percentage is also possibly 33%. Regardless, if the number of cases stays at three, the number can be thrown out entirely because it is wildly skewed due to small sample size, unlike:
quote:which have occurred way more than 3 times in the United States.
flu, lightning strikes, shark attacks, car accidents,
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:43 am to Hopeful Doc
quote:
Death Percentage... possibly 100% out of those 3 cases.
One of those three is now in "good" condition and is no longer merely "stable." Death percentage is also possibly 33%. Regardless, if the number of cases stays at three, the number can be thrown out entirely because it is wildly skewed due to small sample size, unlike:
quote:
flu, lightning strikes, shark attacks, car accidents,
which have occurred way more than 3 times in the United States.
Exactly, you can't compare them. Small vs Large sample size. Plus our known death percentage for ebola mostly comes from 3rd world countries, not from first world. It's just silly to compare any of it... For right now, knowing what we know.... this strain is around 60%-70% deadly, spreads easily enough, and is the first time a deadly ebola strain has really gotten outside of more rural parts of Africa and into more populated areas. Until it's proven that we can contain it and treat it to a low mortality rate, we should treat it as something very dangerous. But not be terrified at the same time.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:47 am to NATidefan
quote:
I think the biggest thing is that no one had REALLY put money into finding a cure until recently. Now that the threat is to 1st world countries and not only third world countries that has seemed to change the situation drastically...
There's a bit more to it than that. The WHO has been responding to outbreaks since outbreaks began with tons of money. The epidemics have all been localized to places where infrastructure just doesn't exist like it does here. There isn't enough refrigeration, needles, and beds to give these people IV fluids. Think about that. In the US, you can receive 1-2L of fluid in an ambulance before even getting through a hospital's doors.
Much, much more of the lower mortality rate you are going to see with the people in the US (which will very likely be more than 3, but it will also be far, far less than in Africa) will be because of clean rooms, good nutrition, generally healthy people, and a host of drugs and fluids that have been in use for decades. The experimental drugs that are just really starting to peak (side note: there have been vaccines successful in animals as early as 2003, but I'm too lazy to make that number earlier in time right now) will do far more to quell future outbreaks than anything in the current one.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:47 am to NATidefan
quote:
Death Percentage... possibly 100% out of those 3 cases.
That's kind of deceiving. Of course it could be 100%, but it could also end up even lower than the 33% we have now, if more get infected. If you're going to present possibilities, it's good to provide the full range.
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