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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:17 pm
.....have ALL issued travel restrictions regarding the countries who are battling an epidemic outbreak of the Ebola virus. But, Obama continues to sit on his hands and do nothing.

Is this politics?

Is this simply ineptitude on Obama's part?

Are his hands tied because any travel restrictions could be used to highlight the virtual open border America shares with Mexico?

Why is Obama being so stubborn with regards to taking prudent measures to protect Americans?


Anybody?
Posted by Slinger16
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:19 pm to
Because protecting Americans at the expense of poor Africans is the height of racism.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:19 pm to
We're just waiting on his evolution to begin
Posted by FT
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:20 pm to
What restrictions have they put in place?

Also, tell me what's wrong with Al Jazeera.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:22 pm to
The France UK and of course South Africa have much more traffic directly from these countries than the US gets. Lots of these people funnel through Europe before coming to the US.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:24 pm to
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The France UK and of course South Africa have much more traffic directly from these countries than the US
You can't be serious.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
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38911 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:37 pm to
Have you had a stroke, FT? You can read thru that entire thread and not find a single instance where I said anything negative about Al Jazeera. Unlike all of the other news sources mentioned in that thread, I have no personal history with that network. Hence, I didn't make any comment about them?

But, should I simply take your word for it? You're one of the morons who blanketly assert that FOX is no better than MSNBC. That's idiotic. Where is MSNBC's Chris Wallace? Brett Bair? Shep Smith?

One thing I do know about Al Jazeera. They hired one of CNN's worst and most liberal "journalists" when they started broadcasting in America. Can't think of the woman's name at the moment, but she was arguably the worst race-baiter during the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman situation.


There's your answer, ft. Unlike you, I don't dodge anything here.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:39 pm to
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Have you had a stroke, FT? You can read thru that entire thread and not find a single instance where I said anything negative about Al Jazeera. Unlike all of the other news sources mentioned in that thread, I have no personal history with that network. Hence, I didn't make any comment about them?
You asked for a news source and got one. Never commented, cause you wanted to bash MSNBC. Which is fine. They suck. But you should have just said that's what the point was.
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But, should I simply take your word for it? You're one of the morons who blanketly assert that FOX is no better than MSNBC. That's idiotic. Where is MSNBC's Chris Wallace? Brett Bair? Shep Smith?
No I'm not.
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One thing I do know about Al Jazeera. They hired one of CNN's worst and most liberal "journalists" when they started broadcasting in America. Can't think of the woman's name at the moment, but she was arguably the worst race-baiter during the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman situation.
I haven't seen that kind of thing on there.
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There's your answer, ft. Unlike you, I don't dodge anything here.
Except this.

But ok, then.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:42 pm to
I dont think a travel ban would be effective
a) most people that come to the US from africa, go through Europe. So unless that country has a travel ban, they can just lie about where they are coming from.
b) if you have the money to flee africa, you have the money to make a stop and cover your tracks.

I mean, go ahead and do it but I doubt it makes a different.
Posted by trackfan
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:44 pm to
Link please? I'd like to see a breakdown on the timeline for how other nations are dealing with this. I don't care what the Saudia are doing, but I am curious to know what other first-world nations are doing.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

I dont think a travel ban would be effective
a) most people that come to the US from africa, go through Europe. So unless that country has a travel ban, they can just lie about where they are coming from.
b) if you have the money to flee africa, you have the money to make a stop and cover your tracks.

I mean, go ahead and do it but I doubt it makes a different.


Do they not check the passports of passengers boarding the flight?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:50 pm to
As far as I know France and the UK haven't issued a travel ban. They stopped direct flights, but we don't have direct flights anyway.

Also, if you shut down air traffic with the Ebola countries you're pretty much crippling the international aid effort. MSF and other organizations are strapped for funds enough as it is without having to charter their own flights instead of just buying a coach ticket.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:53 pm to
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Do they not check the passports of passengers boarding the flight?


of course they do.

But again, that might not do what you want
a) the people fleeing countries are rich, its pretty easy if you are rich to get another passport. This is especially true for people from countries with diplomatic status like liberia

b) the people that would be a genuine risk, aid workers, from these countries will almost assuredly be traveling under a different passport

I just don't see a travel ban doing shite.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40087 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:54 pm to
LINK
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s far as I know France and the UK haven't issued a travel ban. They stopped direct flights, but we don't have direct flights anyway.

Also, if you shut down air traffic into the Ebola countries you're pretty much crippling the international aid effort. MSF and other organizations are strapped for funds enough as it is without having to charter their own flights instead of just buying a coach ticket.


you are correct sir and I hate agreeing with you liberals but yall are right on this issue.
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he first direct flights to resume from the UK to Sierra Leone have been cancelled after the British government revoked Gambia Bird’s recently granted permit because of fears over Ebola.

The Department of Transport cited the deteriorating public health situation for the revocation when it notified the German-owned airline on Friday evening.

The airline said it would appeal against the decision, especially as its licence was only granted on 26 September.

The decision closed what charities and non-governmental organisations (NGOs) said was a vital humanitarian corridor to Sierra Leone, which is struggling to cope with the Ebola outbreak.

Médecins sans Frontières, the charity on the frontline of the Ebola outbreak since the beginning, criticised the decision. It said if the government was going to stop commercial airlines flying to the region it would have to put in place state alternatives.

“It’s extremely difficult to get much-needed staff into the region and at a time that we need more people on the ground than ever, this is very unhelpful,” said a spokeswoman.

Freight company Redcoat said that among the cargo booked for Friday was 1,000 personal protective equipment kits including overalls, masks and goggles for doctors and nurses.

A spokesman for Gambia Bird’s official agent in the UK, McPhillips Travel, said there were about 60 passengers on the first flight which was scheduled to leave Gatwick on Friday. The plane also had about 4 tonnes of humanitarian aid.

“We think it is an overreaction,” Ben Mortimer said. “The situation was bad on 26 September. It is worse now, but not much.

“We already had protocols in place as part of the permit in which they had the names and addresses of all passengers in the event they needed to trace people. This is much better than trying to screen people who are coming into the country from Europe or Morocco on an indirect route,” he said.

Gambia Bird, along with British Airways and Air France, stopped services to and from Sierra Leone in August but the German-owned airline announced it was resuming flights because of the damage being caused by the lack of access.

Only one European airline, Brussels Airlines, has maintained its operations, allowing travel for doctors, nurses and other workers.

In a statement issued to its passengers and commercial partners, McPhillips Travel said the decision “punishes Sierra Leone and west Africa in general”.

It said “extremely stringent” passenger screening procedures had been put in place at Lunghi airport in the capital, Freetown, and that Public Health England was consulted throughout the planning process and “was satisfied that measures being taken were adequately robust”.

Direct flights would provide easier, more cost-effective access for humanitarian aid in the form of NGO volunteers, medical professionals and supplies to combat Ebola, it said.

A spokesman for the Department of Transport said the inconvenience to passengers was unfortunate but its priority was tackling the spread of Ebola and protecting the British public from the disease.

It said it would “continue to explore options which could assist travel by NGO workers to affected areas”.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

You can't be serious.



You don't think main land Europe gets more flight traffic from Africa than the US does.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted by KCT
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:57 pm to
FT, you read that thread and thought I started it in order to bash MSNBC? There's no need to bash MSNBC. MSNBC is so awful that even a decent number of liberals here acknowledge how horrible they are.

If you weren't even capable of understanding the thread, it's pointless to have a discussion with you about it.

You know, it's too bad that you are too much of a coward to answer any of my questions. You bash FOX NNews, but when I ask you to comment on several quality journalists on FOX like Chris Wallace, Brett Bair, Shep Smith, etc, which I have asked you to comment on them several times, you just disappear.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:58 pm to
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I dont think a travel ban would be effective


I can't see it having a huge effect, but it couldn't hurt.

A ban should be on flights coming to and from the infected areas that aren't specifically for transporting medical personnel. Any personnel coming in from those areas should be subjected to tests before and after a 48-hour quarantine.

Passports on other inbound flights to the US would need to be checked much closer.
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:59 pm to
Karla Karla Karla, you are now off topic in your own original post.

Seriously, did you have a stroke or something?
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

when I ask you to comment on several quality journalists on FOX like Chris Wallace, Brett Bair, Shep Smith, etc, which I have asked you to comment on them several times, you just disappear.
Name one time.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
27304 posts
Posted on 10/13/14 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Also, tell me what's wrong with Al Jazeera.

It's a gay terrorist organization that fronts as a news network.
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